does any one have a wagovan

[85civicwagon]

any year i have a 1985 front wheel drive planning to make a all wheel drive and i wanna throw out the carberated motor and throw in a d15b in it
first question is going from carbed to fuel injected?
how much of a troubles is that

[Eran]

Carb to fuel injected -- you're looking at a new ECU, new harness, new motor, new fuel lines, new fuel pump, etc.

It's quite a bit of work.

[ScratchNSniff]

Check out EastCoastEK's wagovan build...he is just finishing it off...may be some help for you...

[253eg]

wagovans

[85civicwagon]

i got the motor(d16b), and ecu from hmotorsonline.com for 700 bucks shipped.

[85civicwagon]

i forgot to add that its all around disc brakes for me now
got it from a 89 teggy

[85civicwagon]

Originally Posted by Eran

Carb to fuel injected -- you're looking at a new ECU, new harness, new motor, new fuel lines, new fuel pump, etc.

It's quite a bit of work.

y would i wanna change the pump

[cheezeonmakneez]

Need more psi

[EastCoastEK]

Hey, I've been meaning to get a chance and reply to your thread for a few days, but work has been getting the best of me this week.

First of, nice wagon! Your off to a great start with the Teg brake upgrades. Did you upgrade the MC? I've always read that when you upgrade the front AND the rear to Teg disc components, that it is also necessary to run a stronger MC. I have a direct bolt on MC from an '85 Prelude, Carbed. it's a harder working MC, and will compliment your set-up nicely. Let me know if you want it. Don't think I'll be needing it at the current moment.

I'm glad that you have the 2WD. This will make EVERYTHING easier for you. D15 headers will fit, coilover set-ups are available, etc...


As far as your engine set-up, yes, as Eran said, you will need to swap out ALL of the things on his list in order to run a FI set-up. To a novice, or even decently-skilled mechanic, it is A LOT of work, and really unnecessary.

I would suggest: Buy a D16a1 and make sure buy a BROWN TOP engine. These came from the 86-87 Integras. They run vacuum advanced ignition, and the wiring is much easier. All that is needed is some basic mods to the engine harness. A conversion to F.I. is not necessary if you can find a Carbed ZC intake manifold from Japan. These ARE floating around, and can be found with a little effort. Only a few ZC's were made as carbed motors. Find the manifold and a carb, and your there. Easy bump from 75hp to around 115. Viola!

Option 2: Buy the same engine, and try to find a TWM manifold with dual-webers or dual-mikunis like my set-up. it will look very similar to mine, but just made for the D16 instead.

Lastly, just keep the stock engine and work on it. I'm very happy with how my set-up turned out. I haven't really gotten into the engine yet, as I'm still breaking it in. However, there is a significant difference in power, I can tell you that. Before, I used to struggle to get onto the interstate safely. Now, no problems, for sure.

Below is a detailed post that I typed up for a dude on Honda-Tech. He wanted to go FI with a B-series swap. Check it out:

Yeah, you need to LIVE on the search engine at redpepperracing.com for the next couple of weeks. It's the 3rd gen bible!

Great group of guys over there. They will help you build any 84-87 civic/crx right.

There are quite a few guys doing b16 swaps over there. However, before you dump oodles of money and time into a b series swap (engine, tranny, mounts, WIRING and fuel-line re-routing from a carb. car to a fuel injection set-up (if your not FI already) is NOT cheap NOR easy, ECU, etc...) consider and research these options:

(1) Stick with your stock d15 engine. It actually has a lot of hidden potential. Bolt-on's like headers and ignition, etc..., ARE available for these engines, they are just a little harder to come by. They are constantly for sale on rpr, so just check the classifieds regularly.

HOWEVER, the main sectret to getting power out of these engines is in porting/polishing and getting more flow out of the head. These engines have been known to push 120+ horsepower, NA, with a good amount of head work. I know 120 doesn't sound like a lot, but considering the engines came with around 90 hp, that's a substantial percentage increase.
Though I am no expert by any means, I believe the rods are fairly strong in the block. With a few upgrades to the block, these engines can be turbocharged to 200+ hp!! No need for a swap, wiring, etc... Less headache, and still keep the "old school" feel.

I believe that a lot of people think that dropping a b-series into their car will give the bay that tough look too. Sure it will, this is true. However, consider what your bay would look like if your current engine was meticulously cleaned/painted, etc.., valve cover w/ fresh paint, new wires, ..... That little D can look TOUGH, and run strong! There is a guy named "Sgt Pepper" on RPR. Man, his bay looks SWEET! Check his thread out here: http://www.redpepperracing.com/forum...howtopic=26729

or

(2) Swap to a D16a1 (or JDM ZC, same engine, more "goodies"); this engine comes out of a 86-89 Acura Integra. They are DOHC engines, like the B series, minus Vtec though. Best part, they bolt right in! They came in the higher-end Euro and JDM hatches during the 80's, so they still "suite the era". These are AWESOME engines!!!! Especially the ZC. They are a great platform, b/c there is SOOO much room to port in the head. They make strong NA engines, and can be fitted with Suzuki Vitara pistons (same bore size, lower compression to 8:1), a cometic head gasket, and arp studs, and turbo'd to 300+ hp, with properly build NA set-ups pushing towards almost 200 hp!!

So, who needs a B-series?!

Keep it simple, keep it old school!

I don't know much about the D15b. I'm not even sure if it bolts right in. Do you know if you would need custom mounts? It just sounds like a headache. I know it would be a non-traditional swap, as noone I have heard of or seen on RPR has done this swap. I would just keep with what has been done before: rock the stock D15a and build it right, or buy the Teg D16a1. Maybe you can sell your D15b for one of these engines with some money to spare to put towards the manifold or dual-carbs.

Just my thoughts, I hope this helps.

Best of luck! Great to see another wagon on here!! :)

[sf22189]

^Good post right there^
makes me want to build a wagovan

[85civicwagon]

im a stick with the d15b thanks for the info eastcoastek ill swap over the fuel pump to a high flow fp. shouldnt i be able to use the original fuel lines. and the teggy brakes doesnt have a upgrade mc if u woldnt mind ill take that out of ur hands. if u look close i had to swap the trailing arms because the teggys were to short. ill let u guys know how much of a headace the d15b is gonna be

[younggun16]

looks good how many miles are on it

[85civicwagon]

Originally Posted by younggun16

looks good how many miles are on it

260k
the rings are blown so every time i turn it on theres just ton of smoke its funny

[85civicwagon]

i have a bunch of ideas for thejdm d15b vtec theres
a headswap.(what head should i use)
bore.(could i bore to 1.8 and use b series internalls or parts)
swap the internals from a diff motor, i was reading and herd u could use d16 connecting rods
run turbo wit 7psi
making it rtawd
stuff a totally different motor and use the rear wheel drive parts from awd civc

[Absolut3Zr0]

That is just a box on wheels...of pure awesomeness. GL with the build.