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Old 04-08-2009, 12:30 PM   #1
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The president of Nissan’s race and tuning division NISMO says full factory support will be offered to any team that wants to enter its new V8-powered GT-R GT1 racer at Le Mans next year.

Speaking exclusively to PH at the Paul Ricard circuit earlier today, Yuichi Sanada confirmed that although Nissan has ruled out its own entry at Le Mans due to budgetary constraints, its new GT-R based GT1 World Championship contender will be made available to teams that wish to race with it.

'The new 2010 FIA GT1 regulations will be the same at Le Mans, so next year if private teams want to compete there - or in the American Le Mans Series - we will support them,’ he said.

The new Nissan GT-R GT1 racer is still under development, but the car will be run as a non-championship ‘test’ entry by NISMO's racing partner Gigawave at several GT rounds in Europe this year – including at Silverstone when it hosts the opening round of the 2009 FIA GT championships over the May Bank Holiday.

NISMO revealed the GT-R GT1 in its 2009 racing colours for the first time today (Monday), apparently picking a striking white livery over NISMO’s trademark red as the most appropriate paintjob for what is intended purely as customer racing car.

Underneath the racer’s muscular nose resides a full-house, normally-aspirated, 600bhp, 5.5-litre, type VK56DE V8. It’s a close relative of the type VK45 V8 that powered the all-conquering GT-R GT 500 as it swept the board in Japan’s Super GT series last year.

“As in Super GT we chose a V8 over the turbocharged V6 from the road car as it develops stronger torque at low revs,” Sanada told PH.

Like the GT500, the new Nissan GT-R GT1 puts its power down via a six-speed Ricardo racing transaxle but the similarities beyond that are limited. As the 2010 GT1 regulations are aimed at keeping costs down, the World Championship racer keeps its production monocoque pretty much intact, whereas the Japanese Super GT car is virtually scratch-built from the ground-up. The GT1 also has fewer aero aids than the Super GT, and a smaller rear wing.

However, like the Super GT racer, the rear-drive Nissan GT-R GT1 dispenses with the redundant front differential and has a new front axle with double wishbone suspension. There’s a multi-link racing set-up at the rear, and brakes feature carbon discs and pads with 6 piston calipers all round. None of the road-going GT-R’s electronic driver aids are carried over to the GT1 racer.

Racing wheels are 13.0J x18s at the front, and 31/71 x 18s at the rear. According to Sanada-san, a major part of this year’s development program will be weight reduction as the rules allow a minimum of 1250kgs but so-far NISMO is still 100kgs short of its target.

“The GT-R road car is 1750kgs, and we’ve got the GT1 car down to 1350kgs already,” says Sanada. “But it’s a big job because the regulations allow few areas to be changed – nearly all the metal parts are the same as the road car, and we need to do more this year.”

According to Sanada, the NISMO GT1 project revealed today was instigated by an announcement made 18 months ago to shake up the GT category.

In 2007 the world motorsport body the FIA declared its intention to grant World Championship Status to the series for the first time in 2010 – alongside F1, the WRC and WTCC – and the new championship will allow factory-backed teams representing a maximum of six manufacturers to compete for the new World Title.

“The GT-R is global car, and the new GT1 World Championship will be a truly global series,” says Sanada, who also confirmed that NISMO and Nissan are committed to the revised category until at least 2012 – by which time they intend to have won it!

Until a few weeks ago, Nissan was in the uncomfortable position of being the sole manufacturer officially preparing a contender for the new series, and there was some scepticism about its chances of success. However Swiss team Matech has just revealed the results of collaboration with Ford to develop a GT1 version of the Ford GT supercar, there’s talk that Lamborghini will reveal a Murciélago SV-based contender, and both the organisers and the FIA remain confident of a full grid by the time the 2010 season rolls around.

According to the GT1 organisers, the idea of the revised category is to provide World Championship racing “that will excite spectators with close racing between cars that resemble road models”, and the intention is to run 12 events at circuits across five continents – including the 24hrs at Spa.

As engine outputs and weight are pegged at 600bhp and 1250kgs, there will be some additional form of handicapping to ensure swoopy supercar-based entries like the Ford GT and Lamborghini Murciélago SV do not benefit from a major aerodynamic advantage over the less svelte Nissan.
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Old 04-08-2009, 06:08 PM   #2
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well way to go nissan, start redeigning ur race car.....

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They are not redesigning the road car, they are redesigning the GT1 car.

And I think that a V8 should have been used on the road car also, if they are going to label it a "supercar" then I think it should have more than 3.6 or however-the-fuck many liters it has.
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Wait, so it is AWD or not?
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its all fun n games till that tranny goes pop.
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Yeah, because they are going to use a stock transmission on a race car
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Yeah, because they are going to use a stock transmission on a race car
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Wait, so it is AWD or not?
It's RWD.

My point is, why spend all the money developing a turbo v6 awd car and then ditch the entire drive train as soon as you want a car to race? Seems like a lack of confidence. They go from being a little different and huge value, to copying what so many other manufacturers are doing, that's not innovation.
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But that makes no sense, if it's rear driven, why does it have a front diff and front axles?
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But that makes no sense, if it's rear driven, why does it have a front diff and front axles?
It seems like a small error in the article.

It sounds like they meant to say they got rid of the now unnecessary front diff and axles and now has a new double wishbone suspension.
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It's RWD.

My point is, why spend all the money developing a turbo v6 awd car and then ditch the entire drive train as soon as you want a car to race? Seems like a lack of confidence. They go from being a little different and huge value, to copying what so many other manufacturers are doing, that's not innovation.
After all the flak and shit that they have gone through with that car, they have no reason to have any confidence in it. And for who said why race with a stock transmission, its supposed to be a "supercar" If I want to fucking race with it, I better be able to fucking race with it.
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After all the flak and shit that they have gone through with that car, they have no reason to have any confidence in it. And for who said why race with a stock transmission, its supposed to be a "supercar" If I want to fucking race with it, I better be able to fucking race with it.
You don't see chevy just throwing their Z06 or ZR1 into the GT class at Le Mans. There is no way they would compete. It's a purpose race car with a stockish frame and body.

Going with a V8 and rear wheel drive is a smart move for the racing they're doing.
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Youre right. I just guess I lost a whole lot of respect for the car after 1. those dudes who took it off the truck and brought them to the drag strip 2: the scrambled egg transmission ordeal 3: their claimed time on the Nurburgring being called out for about 30 seconds. When the car was first presented, it seemed appealing, but after all that I just cant seem to be that fond of it. I also dont like how Nissan didnt fix the problem and decided to just get rid of the launch control for next years model.
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You don't see chevy just throwing their Z06 or ZR1 into the GT class at Le Mans. There is no way they would compete. It's a purpose race car with a stockish frame and body.

Going with a V8 and rear wheel drive is a smart move for the racing they're doing.
But Chevy doesn't switch to an awd platform either, they maintain their drivetrain layout so it actually means something to people who watch the races and then go buy a car. Chevy is gaining knowledge and innovation for their RWD cars this way, Nissan is just going back to what they were doing before they designed the GT-R.

If Nissan had a RWD V8 supercar then this would make plenty of sense, but they don't, they went TTV6 AWD. They would even be better off if they used a 370Z body, at least that's RWD.
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But Chevy doesn't switch to an awd platform either, they maintain their drivetrain layout so it actually means something to people who watch the races and then go buy a car. Chevy is gaining knowledge and innovation for their RWD cars this way, Nissan is just going back to what they were doing before they designed the GT-R.

If Nissan had a RWD V8 supercar then this would make plenty of sense, but they don't, they went TTV6 AWD. They would even be better off if they used a 370Z body, at least that's RWD.
The Le Mans series prohibits all wheel drive in the GT class (not sure about the prototype class). They also prohibit most traction control systems. The Nissan GTR's differential and traction control systems would be prohibited.

They don't have much of a choice to switch to a rear wheel drive setup.

And the body they use is more marketing than anything. They're not going to make a race car out of the 370Z when they have the GTR.

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