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SilentMist
10-22-2008, 12:40 PM
Hey What's Up everyone IT been soooo long since,I`ve been here and owned a 88-91 Hatch ,I currectly driving around an 08 Civic 4dr Taffy White Si but,I couldnt resist when. I saw a cherry rio red Si h22 swap ready for 300 bucks from a friend so. I gave in to the my weakness , I love the ED chassis . I`ve never quit understood why they always grab`d my atttention so much more anyway back on the subject.
What ,I paid for the car ridiculious cause there si very mint the kid just didnt have the time to mess with it anymore and . I grew up with em so . I gussein that why it was so cheap for me.

Make: Honda
Modle: Civic SI
Year: 1991
Mileage On Body :150 thousand original.
Mileage On Motor: h22a1 -125,000 original from a 97 prelude


Plans: Well the Plan so far for the motor is to get sent out and get a little work done to her though,I`m not totaly sure it needed but shit since it already out and it winter why not,I plan to come out mid spring or summer of 09 ,I shooting for mid 12`s on a mildly built h22a1 first time. I`ll be swappin an h22 in an ed chassis so any tips or hints would be more then welcome`d my way.

I`m going with a high compression n/a build,

So far,I have the full hasport h22 mount kit with the cable to hydro conversion , The passenger side mount shave and braket bolted on,I`m thinking about welding it just for extra saftey h22 shift box and cable`s alreadi ran into motor and full obd1 wiring harness instealled h series swap axels .

Here where,I`m getting confused there so many rumors and tricks out there my friend are tellin me to use a single cam accord tranny that there shorter gears and better for running but some of my friends say to just use the h22a1 trans it came with,I`m stumped on wich to use cause,I have both laying here What do you guys think ?

Picture`s WIll Be up tonite of motor and Ride.

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u76/91edsi/whip3-1.jpg

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u76/91edsi/whip2-1.jpg

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u76/91edsi/whip-1.jpg

TiiM iiS l3eAsT
10-22-2008, 05:24 PM
nice! sounds badass....i was gonna do a h22 in my 4th gen but then i decided i wanted to just build up the zc.....i would go with h22a1 trans it came with....that way you will have a higher top speed......butttttt.......if you want to be quicker in the quarter mile then i would think the shorter geared trans would be better.....just depends on what you want.....get some pics man !!! i wanna see the progress !

Steven.
10-22-2008, 05:48 PM
http://www.explicitspeedperformance.net/

do a H2B

SilentMist
10-22-2008, 11:25 PM
http://www.explicitspeedperformance.net/

do a H2B

B series hydro trans gsr or type r are real hard to come by and b16s are gems =P like 500 + for anyone of those trans , I wish , I could find oneeeeeeeee you got one for me trade yew my hydro h series =) lol green I'm tryna look for the upgrade subframe brace any links would be apprciated

SilentMist
10-23-2008, 09:12 PM
Well here a few motor pictures as promised sorry there off my phone , I started to take it apart the plan is to compeltely dissassemble put forged piston heads in the bottom polish and balance the crank new bottom end bearings new seals and gaskets block gaurd a comtech headgasket with arp head studs as for the head,I was leaning towards new valve seals upgrade skunk 2 valve train with stage 2 cams , I'm on the fence about a port and polish job but ehh skunk 2 intake mani and tb and unsure about my header choice yet but neway here the pics.

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u76/91edsi/motor5.jpg

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u76/91edsi/motor4.jpg

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u76/91edsi/motor3.jpg

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u76/91edsi/motor2.jpg

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u76/91edsi/motor-1.jpg

sorri about the pic quality im alot further then that with the dissassemble just gotta take the digi cam and take more pics .

slowcivic E G
10-23-2008, 11:11 PM
None of the US accord trans have short gears, You want the trans from the JDM h22's or an M2F4 trans, which is from the US prelude. They have the shortest gears.

Steven.
10-23-2008, 11:19 PM
what dissy is on that h22 you have? TD60u? if so give it to me.

slowcivic E G
10-23-2008, 11:25 PM
what dissy is on that h22 you have? TD60u? if so give it to me.

that one has an external coil. I think that's no good for you.

Steven.
10-23-2008, 11:31 PM
that one has an external coil. I think that's no good for you.

didnt notice, thats why i asked if it was a TD60

slowcivic E G
10-23-2008, 11:32 PM
didnt notice, thats why i asked if it was a TD60

yea in one of the pics I saw the external coil sitting on top of some stuff.

Steven.
10-23-2008, 11:33 PM
i am used to nice clear photos from my D60, not crappy blurry ones

kyle10182
10-24-2008, 12:14 AM
this reminds me....whatever happened to that Andre guy?

SilentMist
10-24-2008, 12:20 AM
thread jack central in here ! thetrans that on it is prelude 93 trans should i just stick with it?

SilentMist
10-24-2008, 12:42 PM
Well steve , the trans code is m2f4 so, I gusse . I'll stick with the trans it came with for now till . I can save up an buy the jdm one . What do you think she'll do in the hatch steve?

TiiM iiS l3eAsT
10-24-2008, 05:11 PM
wow those pics are shitty quality....atleast their are pics though :lol:

slowcivic E G
10-25-2008, 12:50 PM
yea keep the m2f4 trans for now, it will help out with 1/4 mile times. Maybe one day just put an lsd in it. I have read that it's the best H series trans setup that you can have. I believe it just has a lower top speed than the JDM H22 trans, 142 instead of 165 I think. I say if you do a mild build and make 215whp with 165wtq maybe, on a set of slicks with a good 60ft you can see some 12 second passes.

kyle10182
10-25-2008, 01:54 PM
thats strange that the jdm trans would have a longer 5th gear...most Japanese cars are geared shorter. and the higher top speed doesnt help much because all the JDM cars were governed at like 120mph.

slowcivic E G
10-26-2008, 12:07 PM
thats strange that the jdm trans would have a longer 5th gear...most Japanese cars are geared shorter. and the higher top speed doesnt help much because all the JDM cars were governed at like 120mph.
Correct, I remember that governor on my JDM P13.
The US h22 trans the M2F4 has a 0.870 5th gear with a 4.266 FD
The JDM h22 trans M2B4 and M2A4 have 0.787 5th gear with 4.266 FD

SilentMist
10-29-2008, 11:48 AM
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u76/91edsi/whip3-1.jpg

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u76/91edsi/whip2-1.jpg

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u76/91edsi/whip-1.jpg

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u76/91edsi/9-1.jpg

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u76/91edsi/8-1.jpg

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u76/91edsi/7-1.jpg

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u76/91edsi/6-1.jpg

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u76/91edsi/5-1.jpg

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u76/91edsi/4-1.jpg

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u76/91edsi/3-1.jpg

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u76/91edsi/2-1.jpg

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u76/91edsi/10-1.jpg

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u76/91edsi/1-1.jpg

There a few more quick snap shots sorry about the pic quality phone images agian.

Steven.
10-29-2008, 09:57 PM
buy a new camera first

12.8:1 Ls/vtec
10-29-2008, 10:46 PM
Saw a few things you fumbled up on, the h22a1 came in 93-95 prelude vtec's. The 97's came with h22a4's and there are some significant differences, aluminum oil pan, 55 mm main's on the crank.
and in a regular H swap you can't use a skunk2 intake manifold, it would be in the firewall, like in there.

SilentMist
10-30-2008, 12:47 AM
Saw a few things you fumbled up on, the h22a1 came in 93-95 prelude vtec's. The 97's came with h22a4's and there are some significant differences, aluminum oil pan, 55 mm main's on the crank.
and in a regular H swap you can't use a skunk2 intake manifold, it would be in the firewall, like in there.

Your right , I apologize the motors out of a 94 si prelude and you right on the intake modification but the guys at explicit motors said the euro r manifold would be a suffcient intke upgrade so. I'm going to end up picking one up he said it take a little modification but he lead me to a guy who sell's em for 500 already modified and rdy to go for the ed h22 chassis swaps.

Steven.
10-30-2008, 12:58 AM
Ef?

12.8:1 Ls/vtec
10-30-2008, 02:14 AM
Your right , I apologize the motors out of a 94 si prelude and you right on the intake modification but the guys at explicit motors said the euro r manifold would be a suffcient intke upgrade so. I'm going to end up picking one up he said it take a little modification but he lead me to a guy who sell's em for 500 already modified and rdy to go for the ef h22 chassis swaps.

Some times you see them on ebay for $300, rarely, but they are used obviously. But I doubt that the performance goes away from it being used, maybe just needs cleaned up, and voila, good as new, with more power than the gay dual runner garbage. The h22 has plenty of torque everywhere not to need dual runners, at least mine does, and I can't imagine them lacking torque, especially that feel in an old hatch like yours. I might imagine you having some wheel hop issues.

SilentMist
10-30-2008, 10:28 AM
Some times you see them on ebay for $300, rarely, but they are used obviously. But I doubt that the performance goes away from it being used, maybe just needs cleaned up, and voila, good as new, with more power than the gay dual runner garbage. The h22 has plenty of torque everywhere not to need dual runners, at least mine does, and I can't imagine them lacking torque, especially that feel in an old hatch like yours. I might imagine you having some wheel hop issues.

Wheel HOp would be a Very Big Issue with out a few suspenion and crossmember upgrade,I going with the front crossmember that explicit offers to eliminate or atleast help with the wheel hop issue and its a must if your doin the h swap in my ed chassis. I'm also alreadi sitting on kyb grey with drop zone lowering springs hopefully it last for now,I'm lookin into upgrading my sway bars and get a set of decent full threaded suspenion but. I wanna build the motor first and get it in the car. I hopin to do 12's after the upgradeed and a tune all motor :-) .

kyle10182
10-30-2008, 03:59 PM
Wheel HOp would be a Very Big Issue with out a few suspenion and crossmember upgrade,I going with the front crossmember that explicit offers to eliminate or atleast help with the wheel hop issue

don't count on that.

SilentMist
10-30-2008, 04:05 PM
don't count on that.

Why Do you Say That Kyle ? I mean regardless with the upgrade traction is going to be a constant problem but wheel hop will still be an issue even with the upgrade?

kyle10182
10-30-2008, 04:41 PM
i have that bar, and wheel hop hasnt stopped.

SilentMist
10-30-2008, 07:40 PM
Yeah that right . I haven't been around in so long last time . I looked at yer build thread yew were still wiring the k harnesss for the crx . How she running ? I'm sure wheel hop is an issue for yew what yer build list kyle?

slowcivic E G
10-30-2008, 08:38 PM
Kyle has a K20?

SilentMist
10-30-2008, 08:59 PM
I know it k series . I forgot wich k and wha upgrades dose he have or is just a stock k ?

kyle10182
10-30-2008, 09:03 PM
I know it k series . I forgot wich k and wha upgrades dose he have or is just a stock k ?

u mean this?

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/3090/img3115800ga8.jpg

SilentMist
10-30-2008, 10:32 PM
u mean this?

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/3090/img3115800ga8.jpg


man please you blew the tranny on ur type r and sold the motor,I remember and then you bought the k series and started to do the swap ,I think you were up to turning it on when,I left for a bit that not in there right now .,....... It K SERIES FTW!

honda22
10-30-2008, 10:47 PM
^ so the truth comes out

SilentMist
10-30-2008, 10:52 PM
End the Thread JACK >!!!!!

slowcivic E G
10-31-2008, 12:01 AM
Start of thread jack again, its not K series.

SilentMist
10-31-2008, 12:03 AM
Start of thread jack again, its not K series.

2 Pages of senselesss thread jack we all know that crx is K SERIES so give it up alreadi !

kyle10182
10-31-2008, 03:45 PM
:roll:

slowcivic E G
10-31-2008, 06:12 PM
:roll:

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SilentMist
11-01-2008, 10:39 AM
:roll:
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You guys roll your eyes because we all know its the truth :-P regardless hows it running kyle.????

SilentMist
11-02-2008, 09:43 PM
Well here the most recent update I sent the head out to the machine shop to get the head milled pressure tested leak down test dipped in a solvent tank new valve's and new valve seals put in I get the head back within a week so ill have fresh pictures up when i get it back for everyone of the car and bottom off a real camera this time not off my phone.

kyle10182
11-02-2008, 10:53 PM
You guys roll your eyes because we all know its the truth :-P regardless hows it running kyle.????
my crx runs fine.

EG Hatch
11-22-2008, 02:10 AM
I agree with SilentMist on this one. I clearly remember the thread he was talking about. But if you don't have a K then oh well. Also, Headwork on the H will gain you lots of power. You could also just eliminate the runners on the intake manifold if you want to cheap out. I am almost thinking of going H22 in my hatch.

EGHseries
11-22-2008, 11:35 AM
H Series All The Way