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ForceFed
10-23-2005, 11:14 PM
http://thumbs.streetfire.net/D5BE7EB4-6B3A-4481-9BE6-08319247DA7B.jpg (http://videos.streetfire.net/Player.aspx?fileid=D5BE7EB4-6B3A-4481-9BE6-08319247DA7B)Click here to see Video (http://videos.streetfire.net/Player.aspx?fileid=D5BE7EB4-6B3A-4481-9BE6-08319247DA7B)




here is the video of the viper vs integra
http://thumbs.streetfire.net/098C2626-9C77-4A8C-B2A5-7EBB4CD10EC8.jpg (http://videos.streetfire.net/Player.aspx?fileid=098C2626-9C77-4A8C-B2A5-7EBB4CD10EC8)Click here to see Video (http://videos.streetfire.net/Player.aspx?fileid=098C2626-9C77-4A8C-B2A5-7EBB4CD10EC8)

Going-West
10-24-2005, 12:50 AM
damn....i can't wait to hear the domestic excuses :lol:

i want specs for that civic....dang

rey_boricua
10-24-2005, 12:55 AM
dam great vid i am wondering the specs of the civic myself

radarblips
10-24-2005, 12:56 AM
:shock: :shock:

Cool rear mounted turbo though.

io_303
10-24-2005, 01:01 AM
hmmm, a camaro with a bolt on kit running 8 psi got beat by a civic withe a shit ton of work done to it....hmmm

Going-West
10-24-2005, 01:06 AM
ss's run high 12's stock, add 8psi to a high 12 second car, especially when its v8 responds better to mods than a little i-4, and it gets its ass handed to it by a (probably) 1.8L.....built or not, its impressive, especially on the street

io_303
10-24-2005, 01:11 AM
12s???

1998 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 SS 5.2 13.6

stealthy
10-24-2005, 01:19 AM
i still want a turbo camaro

Going-West
10-24-2005, 01:20 AM
well someone on CC said it could run high 12's w/ the right driver, in the thread where panges beat an SS after he swapped the rb26 in...but my statement still stands

io_303
10-24-2005, 01:24 AM
nope its runss 13.6 but still if you compare the cars mod for mod, the civic would be way up there. Also v8 have bad top end, off the line the camaro would have smoked him. In a full 1/4 from a dead stop it would have been a good race

Going-West
10-24-2005, 01:26 AM
yea, they should have done it from a stop. that thing has monster torque i think in a full quarter it would be pretty dang close. camaro sounded awsome though, even its exhaust pipes look really weird

ForceFed
10-24-2005, 05:46 AM
yea but at 8 psi it would be about the same and the turbo wouldnt kick in till about 20 mph anyways.

lets get it straight... the camaro (SS... which has a corvette engine) costs around $26K
that HB civic you can get for maybe $5K with an H22 swap, add a turbo and about $7K

now think about that, $26,000 vs $13,000... it dosent matter if the civic is hevily modded or not, he still spent less money than the doosh in the camaro.

ForceFed
10-24-2005, 05:47 AM
...would you like to see the 23 PSI integra smoke a Viper??? i have the video...

anfrey
10-24-2005, 05:54 AM
sure, post it. i think putfile.com accepts files up to around 10 megs.

oh btw, it's "douches" ... u know, the stuff girls use to clean their cooter.

io_303
10-24-2005, 05:57 AM
I think my friend put it best after i beat him....."You might have beat me, but I still get to ride home in the comfort of heated leather seats"

Shogun
10-24-2005, 08:19 AM
cool, very nice vid. Yeah, post up the integra and viper vid.

DirtyD
10-24-2005, 08:28 AM
yea but at 8 psi it would be about the same and the turbo wouldnt kick in till about 20 mph anyways.

lets get it straight... the camaro (SS... which has a corvette engine) costs around $26K
that HB civic you can get for maybe $5K with an H22 swap, add a turbo and about $7K

now think about that, $26,000 vs $13,000... it dosent matter if the civic is hevily modded or not, he still spent less money than the doosh in the camaro.
Yeah, screw cars that keep their value.

And what's with GM thinking they can build a reliable car that's still one of the most powerful cars on the road.

DirtyD
10-24-2005, 08:29 AM
I think my friend put it best after i beat him....."You might have beat me, but I still get to ride home in the comfort of heated leather seats"
LMAO

Completely.

bizoneoeh
10-24-2005, 09:06 AM
http://img476.imageshack.us/img476/9716/wtfmonkey9gr.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


:???: that would have to be one fast street civic. wtf does it have under the hood?

bmyers4321
10-24-2005, 09:40 AM
i have seen that somewhere else before. that is a really fast civic. i know if you show that to domestic drivers you will hear about 100 excuses why the civic won.

johnny0
10-24-2005, 11:06 AM
hahaha damn i want that hatch! nice race and very nice win for the red bubble :drive: :woot:

Quebec_Civic
10-24-2005, 12:17 PM
very fast civic.... :suprise:

deaconwagers
10-24-2005, 03:09 PM
ss's run high 12's stock, add 8psi to a high 12 second car, especially when its v8 responds better to mods than a little i-4, and it gets its ass handed to it by a (probably) 1.8L.....built or not, its impressive, especially on the street


c5 corvettes don't even run 12's (except z06). ss's run mid 13's.

Going-West
10-24-2005, 03:16 PM
thanks we;ve already covered that...

but my statement still stands regardless of a tecnicality

io_303
10-24-2005, 03:18 PM
I just wish we knew the specs of that civic

Going-West
10-24-2005, 03:20 PM
btw, civics keep their value pretty well too. a honda dealer just offered me $1000 over what the kbb or whatever system they use to price cars says. id say an $18,000 car selling for around $12K or morealmost 6 years later is pretty good, especially that mine isn't in perfect condition...

B16A2_CIVIC
10-24-2005, 03:20 PM
that was a nice kill for the hatch

24-7
10-24-2005, 03:27 PM
:yawn: Stock Camaro with turbo and bolt ons lost to a fully built, swapped civic.

deaconwagers
10-24-2005, 03:28 PM
thanks we;ve already covered that...

but my statement still stands regardless of a tecnicality

i don't disagree with your statement (and didn't notice that being covered, sorry), people bitch all day long about how a bolt on domestic loses to a heavily modded civic. but look at where you start from: econobox versus something built to go VERY fast. i agree with you.

dtfastj
10-24-2005, 05:04 PM
nope its runss 13.6 but still if you compare the cars mod for mod, the civic would be way up there. Also v8 have bad top end, off the line the camaro would have smoked him. In a full 1/4 from a dead stop it would have been a good race
Just because motor trend, car and driver or whatever mag you got that from, has a best time of 13.6 doesn't mean the car isn't and cant be faster stock. I've been 12.8 in my buddy's completely stock z28. I remember seeing that vid on ls1tech a while back. also you have to think... I a built h22 with turbo will put out around 360 at the wheels give or take. That and given its less weight = faster car. But like said before from a light I doubt the hatch can keep up due to traction.

Who says a v-8 lacks top end? Last time I checked it makes most of its hp up high.

Going-West
10-24-2005, 05:27 PM
i don't disagree with your statement (and didn't notice that being covered, sorry), people bitch all day long about how a bolt on domestic loses to a heavily modded civic. but look at where you start from: econobox versus something built to go VERY fast. i agree with you.

werd, take a econobox 1.8L and have it smoke a ferrari with a 4.3L v8 that is made to be one of the fastest car's on earth, and have the ferrari guy say "all i have is an exhaust." it's the dumbest argument i've ever heard...


8)

Going-West
10-24-2005, 05:31 PM
Just because motor trend, car and driver or whatever mag you got that from, has a best time of 13.6 doesn't mean the car isn't and cant be faster stock. I've been 12.8 in my buddy's completely stock z28. I remember seeing that vid on ls1tech a while back. also you have to think... I a built h22 with turbo will put out around 360 at the wheels give or take. That and given its less weight = faster car. But like said before from a light I doubt the hatch can keep up due to traction.

Who says a v-8 lacks top end? Last time I checked it makes most of its hp up high.

see that's what i'm talking about

but i disagree on the v8 thing, v8's have long strokes so they don't rev very high. they make most of their power down low with the torque that comes with displacement, and also the stroke, which usually limits their redline to a lot lower than say a gsr or b16 can go. my friend's jeep only goes to 5500 but it has monster torque, compared to my zero torque but i have much better top end.

this applies to a normal v8 though, a ferrari or formula1 v8 is differnet because they are usually smaller so they can rev high.

Jezek
10-24-2005, 05:33 PM
cool...wish the vid quality was better tho

dtfastj
10-24-2005, 05:55 PM
see that's what i'm talking about

but i disagree on the v8 thing, v8's have long strokes so they don't rev very high. they make most of their power down low with the torque that comes with displacement, and also the stroke, which usually limits their redline to a lot lower than say a gsr or b16 can go. my friend's jeep only goes to 5500 but it has monster torque, compared to my zero torque but i have much better top end.

this applies to a normal v8 though, a ferrari or formula1 v8 is differnet because they are usually smaller so they can rev high.
True. all I as saying is that the ls1, ls6, ls2... Hell all the lsx motors make all of its horsepower up high. Given all Hell even max tq isn't realized until 4k range. Sure it may not rev as high but all its torque and power is still made high in its rpm band.

Going-West
10-24-2005, 05:58 PM
well i guess the way i look at it, if a v8 makes all of its power at the redline, and the redline is a 5500rpm, its making its power down low. because it revs low, but i get what you saying.

io_303
10-24-2005, 07:52 PM
Just because motor trend, car and driver or whatever mag you got that from, has a best time of 13.6 doesn't mean the car isn't and cant be faster stock. I've been 12.8 in my buddy's completely stock z28. I remember seeing that vid on ls1tech a while back. also you have to think... I a built h22 with turbo will put out around 360 at the wheels give or take. That and given its less weight = faster car. But like said before from a light I doubt the hatch can keep up due to traction.

Who says a v-8 lacks top end? Last time I checked it makes most of its hp up high.

thats what chevy says it can do, and thats the only number i could find with anything to back it up. THere are to many factors to a 1/4 time to call that absolute, its just a good starting point. 12.8 i am having toruble beleaving that its stock. I have seen them run all day at the track here and some get close to 13.0 but almost never down into the 12s stock. I never said the civic wasnt fast, i am just saying it was an unfair match

deaconwagers
10-24-2005, 07:54 PM
you need to have a corvette Z06 to break into the twelves. i've never seen a stock regular c5 break 12's. there is no way an ss can bust 12's stock.

Going-West
10-24-2005, 07:55 PM
unfair does not belong in the world of racing. if the camaro would have won its unfair because it has a turbocharged v8. because the civic won its unfair because it has a lot of work done to it. if you win you win if you loose you loose

io_303
10-24-2005, 07:58 PM
unfair does not belong in the world of racing. if the camaro would have won its unfair because it has a turbocharged v8. because the civic won its unfair because it has a lot of work done to it. if you win you win if you loose you loose

what i considfer unfair is bolt on turbo VS built turbo, and it was also racing in it the civics good area(top end) unfair does belong, thats why they have classes of cars when racing

deaconwagers
10-24-2005, 07:59 PM
unfair does not belong in the world of racing. if the camaro would have won its unfair because it has a turbocharged v8. because the civic won its unfair because it has a lot of work done to it. if you win you win if you loose you loose

damn skippy

Going-West
10-24-2005, 08:01 PM
what i considfer unfair is bolt on turbo VS built turbo, and it was also racing in it the civics good area(top end) unfair does belong, thats why they have classes of cars when racing

well i consider it unfair the camaro has 4 times the displacement :what:

there are no classes on the street, the camaro knew excactly what he was getting into, and pretty much all racing is in the top end except autocross really...

io_303
10-24-2005, 08:05 PM
well i consider it unfair the camaro has 4 times the displacement :what:

there are no classes on the street, the camaro knew excactly what he was getting into, and pretty much all racing is in the top end except autocross really...

dragraving is well rounded, if you dont have low end, you catch up ion the top end
autoX is all around
rally uses alot of low and top

and your right the camaro did have it coming to you......I gues what gets me about this is that A civic beats a turbo V8 and all of the sudden all domestic drivers are "put in their place" I mean if I had to choose a platform to start from it would be the SS does that make me a yuppy domestic boy, and I would beat civics all day, but the second one beats me suddenly domestics suck

Going-West
10-24-2005, 08:10 PM
yea, i see what you are saying. like i got respect for domestics, mods for mod the ss would have killed the civic, but thats not really the point. the fact that a civic, with such a small engine relative to the camaro can beat it is fairly impressive.

i think its lame when people say domestics suck just becaus eone got beat, like say i boost my civic, and i go out and a beat an old vette or something, im not going to be like " THATS RIGHT BITCH, GET OUTTA POKEMON STADIUM!! DUMBESTICS SUCK " because thats just lame. i would give him a thumbs up and be thankfull he didn't have any more mods than he did. i hope you are seeing where im going with this...but yea anyway, nice video.

dtfastj
10-24-2005, 08:51 PM
you need to have a corvette Z06 to break into the twelves. i've never seen a stock regular c5 break 12's. there is no way an ss can bust 12's stock.
Just because you've never seen it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. All of the normal ls1 motor in the fbody dyno at about 325 give or take. This is an engine thats suppose to only be making 320 at the motor. My buddy bought his brand new, I was there in 2002 when he bought it. On the dyno it turned around 350 whp all stock mind you. Now does it make sense. He has a freak car that came from the factory with more power than its suppose to. It happens all the time. I have another buddy with a z28 that couldn't do any better than 13.5. I cant get to do any better than that either. I've seen too many stock c5 break 12s its not even funny.
Man I'm not here to bs you. Just here to tell you out of the bunch theres always a few cars that for some strange reason come with more power than its suppose. And plus there are way too many factors at the track i.e. tires, drivers, track conditions. The only a c5 has on a fbody is 100+ acceration where aerodynmaics play a big part.

Thewonderer
10-25-2005, 03:12 AM
lol point blank..... Turbo hatchy vs Turbo muscle car.... tisk tisk tisk to the domestic..... ish happens... I got videos i need to figure out how to post.... of my friends in philly beating the living ish out of domestics fully tuned all day.... and also reverse. The hatchy was nice.... Guys we dont yet know what type of mods the civic has.. If its an ls turbo u cant say that it was unfair because it was a top end run because ls has no top end. rofl..... and i have friends with frankenstein h22/h23block hatchies doing 12.9s with jus the swap but anywayz whats that tell you about v8 vs 4cyl.... power to weight.... get in the game???? take it ez

charles_00Civic
10-26-2005, 12:01 AM
It's an engine made out of a solid block of steel running 50psi hahaha.

24-7
10-26-2005, 09:56 AM
You can't beat V8s.

x_civic
10-26-2005, 09:57 AM
damn skippy


damn...that civic was nice..I love it.

j_fukin_t
10-26-2005, 10:00 AM
Can you say WALKED???

Going-West
10-26-2005, 03:33 PM
You can't beat V8s.

um....did you see the video? :lol:

24-7
10-26-2005, 04:12 PM
um....did you see the video? :lol:


Swapped, fully built civic vs stock ls1 with turbo.

If Camaro was using the engine that came in the car not some fancy swap from some other car.

io_303
10-26-2005, 04:44 PM
Swapped, fully built civic vs stock ls1 with turbo.

If Camaro was using the engine that came in the car not some fancy swap from some other car.

this has already been argued in this thread, read mine and going-west's posts :) and than you for joining my side :)

Going-West
10-26-2005, 04:46 PM
Swapped, fully built civic vs stock ls1 with turbo.

If Camaro was using the engine that came in the car not some fancy swap from some other car.

you said you cannot beat v8's, clearly you can.

you are wrong. :D

24-7
10-26-2005, 07:11 PM
you said you cannot beat v8's, clearly you can.

you are wrong. :D


The fastest drag cars on earth are V8s, not inports.

Going-West
10-26-2005, 07:25 PM
you are not making any points here bud....:lol:

the land speed records are set by smaller engines

and imports can have v8's too you know :what:

and most import pro drag racers are just as fast as v8's, for example the aem civic, has a TT v6 and runs a 6 second 1/4...

we can through points all day and still wouldn't get anywhere, and it still has nothing to do with the video, and your original (incorrect) statement

:D

24-7
10-26-2005, 08:49 PM
and most import pro drag racers are just as fast as v8's, for example the aem civic, has a TT v6 and runs a 6 second 1/4...





V8s run 6s All motor on gasoline

Civic92jak
10-26-2005, 10:25 PM
THis is all pointless b/s as usual here on CC. But nice vid mang.

io_303
10-26-2005, 10:31 PM
THis is all pointless b/s as usual here on CC. But nice vid mang.

i dont think its bs, when you title it something like that then it warrents a discussion, and thats the whole point of a froum

Going-West
10-26-2005, 10:57 PM
V8s run 6s All motor on gasoline

you are completley missing the point...and only picking and choosing which points to reply to because they are the only ones that you (possibly) make a valid point with...

wow

Going-West
10-26-2005, 10:58 PM
THis is all pointless b/s as usual here on CC. But nice vid mang.

Ok, well could you now, please, exit the pokemon stadium.

FSA_Hatch
10-27-2005, 03:40 PM
Haha yeah nice video man. It's always nice to see a domestic get smoked by a import I LOVE IT

bee18
10-28-2005, 11:35 PM
shit shit shit that was bad ass!!!!

I.D.B.
10-29-2005, 07:30 AM
ss's run high 12's stock, add 8psi to a high 12 second car, especially when its v8 responds better to mods than a little i-4, and it gets its ass handed to it by a (probably) 1.8L.....built or not, its impressive, especially on the street
as heavie as that comaro is putting 8 pound is not that mutch it to big it needs about 12-15 to see good numbers , i'am all about the civic power over weight guys come on

$lick Rick
10-30-2005, 12:56 AM
that fuckin civic could barely idle :lol:

it's a fast car, but a daily drive it sure as f00k is not

rUdGrICk
11-03-2005, 10:24 PM
i need to dub this shit to show all those domestics at my school.

JJup
11-03-2005, 11:28 PM
i enjoyed that it was good

Going-West
11-03-2005, 11:36 PM
i need to dub this shit to show all those domestics at my school.

please dont.

24-7
11-04-2005, 09:44 AM
i need to dub this shit to show all those domestics at my school.


Mod for mod you can't beat V8s.

rei
11-04-2005, 02:27 PM
Mod for mod you can't beat V8s.

in gas mileage you can though.. :lol:

Going-West
11-04-2005, 03:23 PM
Mod for mod you can't beat V8s.

*sigh*.....yay for off topic, grasping at straws to boost your ego posts

and yes, you can.

24-7
11-07-2005, 10:26 AM
*sigh*.....yay for off topic, grasping at straws to boost your ego posts

and yes, you can.


I could care less about points.

12 sec Corvette: Heads,cam, intake, slicks= 11s
16 sec Civic: Head, cams, intake, slicks= 14s

Going-West
11-07-2005, 03:22 PM
you just said v8's, neither one of us brought up civics at all, and you simply said mod for mod you cannot beat v8's, which you can.

24-7
11-07-2005, 04:11 PM
you just said v8's, neither one of us brought up civics at all, and you simply said mod for mod you cannot beat v8's, which you can.

Ok in drag racing, what is the quickest and fastest non-V8 and with what aspiration?

Going-West
11-07-2005, 05:13 PM
i don't know, its irrelevant anyways. you took one of the slowest imports (civic) and compared it to one of the fastest domestics (corvette)....nice debate skills. the fastest onei can think of of the top of my head is the aem drag civic with a TT nsx v6 running a low 6, with 3 liters. i sure there are faster and i know there are faster v8's, but thats not even the argument. you're picking and choosing what arugments you want to talk about even when they do not relate to your original statement which is what started the whole thing. you said you cannot beat v8's, you can, you're wrong. get over it :D

Genuine Rolla
11-07-2005, 06:15 PM
now that is d0pe.

24-7
11-07-2005, 08:52 PM
the fastest onei can think of of the top of my head is the aem drag civic with a TT nsx v6 running a low 6, with 3 liters.

V8s run those times all motor on gasoline

Revolver
11-07-2005, 08:57 PM
V8s run those times all motor on gasoline
And they are 500cid motors.

EH2 GSR 7232
11-07-2005, 09:14 PM
12 sec Corvette: Heads,cam, intake, slicks= 11s
16 sec Civic: Head, cams, intake, slicks= 14s[/QUOTE]

ok you just crushed yourself... you just pointed out that with the same mods a V8 can shave 1 second while the civic shaves 2 seconds.... you just crushed yourself... sorry... and lets even talk stock for a second... B18C1 puts out 180 so thats 100 hp per liter... and thats just a B18C1... yeah it's meant to be a little fast but not like the SS is meant to be... the SS or Z28 is made to race... a GSR really isnt... sooo... you lose... sorry

24-7
11-08-2005, 08:57 AM
And they are 500cid motors.


Yeah. That also shows the theoy on displacement.

24-7
11-08-2005, 09:06 AM
ok you just crushed yourself... you just pointed out that with the same mods a V8 can shave 1 second while the civic shaves 2 seconds.... you just crushed yourself... sorry... and lets even talk stock for a second... B18C1 puts out 180 so thats 100 hp per liter... and thats just a B18C1... yeah it's meant to be a little fast but not like the SS is meant to be... the SS or Z28 is made to race... a GSR really isnt... sooo... you lose... sorry[/QUOTE]

The faster you go the harder it is to go faster. It is alot easier to go from 16s to 14s than from 12s to 11s and so forth.

I loose because the gsr makes more power per liter than the ls1?

henkz0r
11-08-2005, 02:44 PM
I loose because the gsr makes more power per liter than the ls1?

No, I lose because I took the time to read this shit and got stupider while doing it.

todahatch
11-24-2005, 12:38 AM
this whole thread just argue back and forth on domestic and imports or inline 4s or v8s. first point, if you are willing to street race, you have to except the results...no one goes and ask each other to see if they both have equal mods. and than race, so a ls1 camero run 13s...that doesnt make it better than a civic which will out last any domestic...so you say thats not the arguement...heres one, we all have to realize that our world is not in a straight line......any imports can out run those 6 billion horse power domestic. so if i had a swap civic and race a viper and he beats me, would i bitch that it was unfair because it was double the cylinders....no...i choose to race him and i lost.to basically sum it all up, the camero agreed to race the civic...he loses...he choose to race and if he thought it was unfair than he wouldnt...he was confident in winning but he lost....life moves on.

Destroy
11-24-2005, 12:43 AM
civic is fast....still thats a bad ass camaro

bmoua
12-09-2005, 12:31 PM
haha....foo got beat...haha...sorrie to hear bout 4 bangers are they way to go....haha..

Grendel
12-09-2005, 05:14 PM
Its run what you brung
he had a bigger motor bolt on kit
other guy was full race setup.

SS lost fair and square.

blare
12-09-2005, 11:47 PM
damn, that ls got smoked. i think thats funny. hawhaw ';'

ForceFed
12-10-2005, 09:05 PM
i added the viper video, i thought i did earlier but i guess i diddnt