Warnings

[Eran]

I think the "three-strikes-you're-out" warning system should be looked at and revised. I think that it is unfair to count warnings that are more than a month or two old. It's like if you were a little kid, and you were making noise. Your mom is going to tell you to knock it off; fair enough. But lets say that a month down the road, you do it again. Should your mom ground you instantly? No, because that's just rediculous. Warnings, unless for serious offenses (like being a racist/biggot/etc), should not last very long. It's not fair to someone to get two warnings, and then four months down the road, get one more and be banned. :what:

Also, I think that warnings from "lounge bs" should be sparse, and only used in EXTREME circumstance. Giving warnings for being a part of, not starting, bs in the lounge is like giving a citiation for littering at a garbage dump. That's all the lounge is, just a huge bs-fest (wich also needs revising, but that's for another time). Everyone in the lounge is, at some point during any given day, a part of lounge drama. We'd have no members left if we kept giving warnings for it :lol:

Anyoo, that's my two cents, discuss.

[Rand0m]

the first part of your 2nd paragraph was brought up recently...and my response included the last part of your 2nd paragraph :lol: ;)....its being discussed....probbly more in detail soon, considering the only mods signed on at the moment are me and young joe....

but yeah, it is being discussed

[Eran]

the first part of your 2nd paragraph was brought up recently...and my response included the last part of your 2nd paragraph :lol: ;)....its being discussed....probbly more in detail soon, considering the only mods signed on at the moment are me and young joe....

but yeah, it is being discussed

:shock: Stalker! :shock:

;) :lol: ;)

Yeah, it's just how I feel. I talk to oc and handlebars quite a bit about site policy, and it's just been more .... pertinant as of late.

[oc_civic]

The only problem with them “resting” after a certain length of time is that many would abuse that system…. Even if you are temp banned for the three strikes that does NOT necessarily mean permanent ban… it can almost always be worked out… and in regards to the lounge BS I OBVIOUSLY need to “restick” those stickies that someone took down..

[Eran]

The only problem with them “resting” after a certain length of time is that many would abuse that system…. Even if you are temp banned for the three strikes that does NOT necessarily mean permanent ban… it can almost always be worked out… and in regards to the lounge BS I OBVIOUSLY need to “restick” those stickies that someone took down..

Well, it's rather obvious when someone does abuse that. When you see someone troll, and then chill, and then troll, and then chill. You guys are technically allowed to ban for anything you see as misconduct. So use your judgement. I'll be the last to admit, people can change. Even Max is doing better than he used to. Same with Lin. But if they were to constantly do the yo-yo trolling, then it'd be a different story.

[oc_civic]

isnt it REALLY easy to NOT get banned? i mean lets be real.. come to the site.. contribute.. and discuss cars... basicly.. do what the site is here for.. and i really cant see how you would ever even get ONE warning... someone starts shit with you.. remember its just the internet and report the post and move on... what good is having some "e-battle" with some jackass on the other side of the country (or even world) its just so stupid... if your technical opion varies.. discuss it.. without calling people names and starting shit.. i really dont feel bad for people who have to be told the SAME thing over and over and over again... "dont post spam" "dont post spam" "dont post spam" "dont argue with dumbasses" "dont argue with dumbasses" "dont argue with dumbasses" "dont double post" "dont double post" etc... it just gets SO old... you can really only give someone so many warnings before its old.. i mean after all i think that most of the people on the site ARE adults... or at least close... grasping something so simple should not be that big of a challenge..

[x007den]

people that start drama and people that continue it should be treated the same. its kinda weak to have person A start drama, person B excalate it, then have person B demand person A be warned while person B gets no reprimand when they were just as responsible as person A.

[bizoneoeh]

I think if you're getting alot of warnings then you might have a problem. as for serious offenses like racist, biggots etc... everyone calls everyone else faggots and talks about arabs and says shit like white people's houses smell like bologna, that shit doesn't bother me. even if you wanna call somebody a coal burner it shouldn't offend anyone, that is unless you're emo and shit. Hell, I'm a fuckin wet back chili chokin pepper belly, call us beaners whatever you want, I won't loose any sleep over it.

[NOFX]

people that start drama and people that continue it should be treated the same. its kinda weak to have person A start drama, person B excalate it, then have person B demand person A be warned while person B gets no reprimand when they were just as responsible as person A.
Just glad I didn't do any of that today. :) Well, techincally yesterday now.

[itsmycookie]

i;ll agree with the 3 strikes... but i;m biased cause i think i;m at two. but to someone with no warnings it probably seems fair. you mess up once ok.. you do it again well you;re kinda asking for something.. you do it again.. well how many more times are you going to do it? have some time off.. maybe we could go to the 4 strikes rule but then again most sites will just ban you no warnings or nothing so you;re getting off easy how it is.

i dont think the lounge is a huge bs collection. its been a while since i;ve seen a drama thread in there and i;m in there most of the time. most of it is just random discussion of non automotive or non technicle things.

as for the whole drama thing if someone starts a thread for the pure reason to make someone get all upity about it then i think that that thread should be closed and they get a warning i mean if you really have a problem with someone, PM them and sort it out that way starting a thread is not the way to go about making things better. you don;t need the whole world to know about your so called "issues"

also i think people should be warned for harassment. if someone tells them to stop or to leave them alone and they don;t it should be treated like a normal case and they should be given a warning about that. just because they;re online that isn;t an excuse to act like that. i;m pretty sure something along acting like that is in the site rules.

[EG_CaSe]

isnt it REALLY easy to NOT get banned? ..


well from experiance its not very hard.. thats just the :twocents: on someone thats been banned about 4 times " i lost count " any how i really dont understand whats going on besides the fact Eran dont like the 3 strikes law here on CC, im not much of a fan when it comes to laws so eran im with u.. :rocker:

[Eran]

well from experiance its not very hard.. thats just the :twocents: on someone thats been banned about 4 times " i lost count " any how i really dont understand whats going on besides the fact Eran dont like the 3 strikes law here on CC, im not much of a fan when it comes to laws so eran im with u.. :rocker:

my thread is now doomed, since THAT was my only support :laugh:

[EG_CaSe]

my thread is now doomed, since THAT was my only support :laugh:


damn thats the love u show ur support>? WOW what a nice person :nod:

I just like the smilie i had to use it

[Shogun]

I think that is someone is continously being a jackass, then they shoul be temp. banned. If they start shit again, then they should be permentantly banned. I think it would really be stupid to ban someone for lounge drama, since all the lounge is is to talk about whats going on in your world today and to discuss off-topic threads.

[Tom]

i know others won't share my view and it's totally fine to diagree, but i think it's fine the way it is, anthony is right about if it were changed then it would be abused, more so why i think it's fine how it it now, if you get a warning then you get them, regardless of time, but remember taht's just me and my opinion.

[bizoneoeh]

i know others won't share my view and it's totally fine to diagree, but i think it's fine the way it is, anthony is right about if it were changed then it would be abused, more so why i think it's fine how it it now, if you get a warning then you get them, regardless of time, but remember taht's just me and my opinion.
:werd:

I think the ones that want it chaned are the ones that are fucking it up imo

[Tom]

:werd:

I think the ones that want it chaned are the ones that are fucking it up imo
Not to sound like more of an ass, but why else would this thread of started!

[Eran]

This isn't about who is or is not fucking things up or being banned. I was honnestly thinking about making a thread like this before ... recent incidents.

I am just used to a different style of management and leadership I guess. I prefer when things are not completely black and white. Even our own police force is allowed to make judgement calls and decide the severity and if someone is punished. It's not just "they did it, guilty." I know this is a monarchy here, no trial (except by fire). There are just some changes I would like to see, but frankly never will. Anthony and I had quite the discusion last night. Nothing was resolved, we're both still stubborn jackasses ;)

[NOFX]

I know that even though I should have counted up two warnings so far, I was banned for those instances (for a night). So that means I was already punished for those and so they disappeared, right? Or do they just stick with you forever and ever? So if I were to get another warning, I'd be banned for it and in the event I came back I'd stil have three wanrings meaning if six months from now someone misunderstands me I can be banned again?

Them just continually counting up against a person.. I just want to know when it stops, that's all.

[Blazed]

i know others won't share my view and it's totally fine to diagree, but i think it's fine the way it is, anthony is right about if it were changed then it would be abused, more so why i think it's fine how it it now, if you get a warning then you get them, regardless of time, but remember taht's just me and my opinion.
i agree...
this site and its mods are very lenient when it comes to peoples behavior/posts etc...
and allowing more warnings is just asking for it..
i see eran's point about some1 who gets their 3rd warning after a long time since they got their previous but my view is that why would u even do something that deserves getting a warning? and if u do learn from ur mistakes and dont repeat urself...:what:

i dont have a single warning and really its not something i would look forward to anyway :roll:

troublemakers on this site do the same thing over and over and over again whether it be in the lounge threads or in the tech threads...and some of youse have lackeys too...people are way too crazy about changin shyt on this site that really needs no changing..if anything the mods need to watch the site closer than ever IMO...

[Blazed]

I know that even though I should have counted up two warnings so far, I was banned for those instances (for a night). So that means I was already punished for those and so they disappeared, right? Or do they just stick with you forever and ever? So if I were to get another warning, I'd be banned for it and in the event I came back I'd stil have three wanrings meaning if six months from now someone misunderstands me I can be banned again?

Them just continually counting up against a person.. I just want to know when it stops, that's all.
never should have started...;)

[FRODO]

It's.....the internet...i dont think we need a justice system. But if you we do i elect myself supreme justice court judge! :lol:

[Eran]

It's.....the internet...i dont think we need a justice system. But if you we do i elect myself supreme justice court judge! :lol:

See, I brought up that point. I'm not saying it should go BACK to total chaos like it was. But back in the day, everyone participated when the flaming started. It wasn't two or three people, and everyone complaining because they didn't want the thread to be locked. There was no fear of it being locked. Eventually a mod would come in and say knock it off, and everything would be cool. If it continued, then it got the royal flush.

[NOFX]

never should have started...;)
Needless to say I have two counted against me and who knows if I'll be misread and someone will think I was rude to vanessssa yesterday because they didn't read what was said (and just assumed I was rude). That would mean I'm banned. So then, if/when I come back, how many warnings do I have against me.

Some people aren't the angel you are Blazed. :P

[FRODO]

In my eyes the mods are not strict enough. But hey just dont start shit and everything will be alright.

[Eran]

In my eyes the mods are not strict enough. But hey just dont start shit and everything will be alright.

See, that's the misconception. 99% of the time, I don't start shit. I'll retaliate to someone. But somehow, I'm in the same boat as the person who made the mess in the first place. I'll admit, back in the day, I used to instiagte jade, but that's about it. Now-a-days, I try to be a good little soldier boy. But apparently nobody notices.

[Blazed]

Needless to say I have two counted against me and who knows if I'll be misread and someone will think I was rude to vanessssa yesterday because they didn't read what was said (and just assumed I was rude). That would mean I'm banned. So then, if/when I come back, how many warnings do I have against me.

Some people aren't the angel you are Blazed. :P
what i'm saying is u should watch what u say..turn the tables around and see how u would feel is some1 made comments that u make...
u love turbo for him saying that he wanted to slap vanessa with his dick...and he should get a warning for that IMHO...shyt like that is not needed...how would u feel if he had said that to u???

infact i would ban his dumbass for making a remark like that...he likes being a dick to every1 but that was completely unnecessary...i can bet any amt of money he would eat off her feet given the opportunity ;)


its very easy to point fingers and create scenarios when ur the one on the verge of being banned..maybe sit back and think for a minute what u can do to remedy that instead of trying to change the site rules to accomodate ur current predicament would be more appropriate...

it seems u didn't have any of these problems when u were a smod :lol:

[Blazed]

and i'm not an angel...i cause a little bit of trouble maybe..but i also know when to stop..i dont instigate unless its between people that are my friends on here..or people i knwo that have athick skin that i can fuck around with a bit but thats it...
but as said before the mods here are really too fuckin lenient...even Tom is not the nazi he once was...its basically Anthony that kind of enforces the laws now...thatsfrom what i see atleast...no offense Tom u r a great mod...i'm just saying as of lately or even for a while the site has been pretty laid back and thats great..and people who are still getting warnings deserve to be banned as per the rules...just my opinion....

[Eran]

By your logic, vanessa should be banned too. She's said things like she'd wrap a noose around Saul's mother's neck and watch the bitch hang, and told someone else she'd rip their balls off and shove them up their ass. How is that somehow better than Sean wanting to smurf her?

[Blazed]

By your logic, vanessa should be banned too. She's said things like she'd wrap a noose around Saul's mother's neck and watch the bitch hang, and told someone else she'd rip their balls off and shove them up their ass. How is that somehow better than Sean wanting to smurf her?
haha i have bnever seen her start with no1...every1 makes a smartasss comment to her and then she says something...
for example...she said she would shoot something with a ruger..max said some stuff...she said max should be shot for taking a pic with that hat and putting it in his avi..lol etc...but it was all good fun....
and none of that deserve a ban...


u knwo what i'm talking about Eran...no matter what she did she didn't warrant for turbo to make that comment..
i also noticed Amy's remark about her yesterday and i dont think that was what she claims it to be now..harmless...no....

i know u would stick up for amy..as u should..infact i firmly believe thats what this thread is allllllll about..but u know what i disagree with u guys on this and thats that.... ;)

[Blazed]

by the way my logic comes as a site member...ur logic is tainted for obvious reasons...

[NOFX]

what i'm saying is u should watch what u say..turn the tables around and see how u would feel is some1 made comments that u make...
u love turbo for him saying that he wanted to slap vanessa with his dick...and he should get a warning for that IMHO...shyt like that is not needed...how would u feel if he had said that to u???

infact i would ban his dumbass for making a remark like that...he likes being a dick to every1 but that was completely unnecessary...i can bet any amt of money he would eat off her feet given the opportunity ;)


its very easy to point fingers and create scenarios when ur the one on the verge of being banned..maybe sit back and think for a minute what u can do to remedy that instead of trying to change the site rules to accomodate ur current predicament would be more appropriate...

it seems u didn't have any of these problems when u were a smod :lol:
Yeah, and you know how many people I banned then? Like two total I think. I believe one was a troll. I can't even remember who they were now besides reinforcing a ban on a member who one mod banned only to have another unban because it was his friend and so he understood his friend's pov.

I'm not making up a scenario though. I DO have two warnings from the past. I DO believe I could be banned for what happened yesterday. Did I say anything offensive, no. Did I PM her nasty letters, no. Do I feel some mods will still think I was offensive, yes. I told her to leave me alone, that's all. So all I need is to be misrepresented or for someone to think I meant something one way when I meant it another and *poof* I'm banned.

Okay, here's a recent example that comes to mind.... I told biz yesterday that it's not my fault he likes whores. Was I talking about any girl in particular? No. Was I purposefully trying to be offensive? No. Was I kidding around with a friend? Yes. See, but from the outside it could look differently. Just like when I made the mistake of modding in NorCal or SoCal back in the day. All that has to happen is you're out of the joke.

[Eran]

You mean amy calling her a dumbass when vanessa tried to say my gift to her was lame because it wasn't some gaudy diamond ring? That comment? Yeah, completely unwaranted :roll:

[Eran]

by the way my logic comes as a site member...ur logic is tainted for obvious reasons...

Mine's tainted? You're the one saying I cause drama because I retaliate. But when vanessa retaliates, it's completely waranted? Fuck that double standard shit.

[bizoneoeh]

I've never been warned but I have been banned :oops: All the mods on here are pretty coO. Even the one that banned me, that nigga's down. I just don't see what all the hooplah is about :what: If you don't wanna get warned then just don't act like a chili head ;) and if you do get a warning deal with it, it's not the end of the e world. One thing I really hate is the members that snitch on other members to get them in trouble. Those kind of people are called snitches and they should die from ass herpes. Just mind you own buisness and let the mods patrol there own forums ;)

[NOFX]

All I want to know right now is if the punishment I recieved from my previous two warnings did anything. :what: How many warnings do I have now? Does punishment for warnings mean anything against those warnings?

[bizoneoeh]

Why the fuck does everyone hate vanessa so fuckin much. Yea, she's a post whore but in the lounge and I think she makes up shit so people to think she's a spoiled lil ritch gurl but she's still a female and doesn't deserve to be treated the way some of you treat her ass.

if vanesssssa bothers you so much then go find another site that she isn't on. No need to ban her just because you don't like her. The people that are saying she should be banned are the ones that should get banned ;)


if you have warnings then you probably deserve them

[Blazed]

You mean amy calling her a dumbass when vanessa tried to say my gift to her was lame because it wasn't some gaudy diamond ring? That comment? Yeah, completely unwaranted :roll:

oh shyt...sorry...
so i see..because she didn't liek ur gift amy called her a dumbass...totally called for...definitely...uhuh i see ur point...:roll:


Mine's tainted? You're the one saying I cause drama because I retaliate. But when vanessa retaliates, it's completely waranted? Fuck that double standard shit.

no i didn;t u cause dramam because u retaliate..i didn't want to come out and say it..but u cause DRAMA period..and amy leads it on every fuckin time..
both of youse got the pissed off thread closed how many times???
u have cause trouble on how many fdifferent fuckin threads???



seriously i'm not one of the noobs that u like mouthing off to...i see and observe everything that goes on this site just because i choose not to bitch and moan about every little thing dont mean that i will watch by everytime u come with a new uidea for the site to accomodate ur girlfriend...


and hell yes ur views are biased and tainted..u created this thread for the sole reason that amy is on the verge of being banned if she gets another warning....

here's tip...stop fuckin causing drama..;)

[NOFX]

This thread's not about vanessssa. Let's try to keep it on topic.

[Eran]

First off, amy called her a dumbass, because she was trying to incite drama with her. She came in and tried to devalue amy as a human being. She STARTED SHIT with her. Amy didn't cause any drama there. Amy just posted what she got for christmas. Vanessa came in and CAUSED the drama. Not Amy. Not me. Period.

Just because someone retaliates does not mean THEY ARE THE CAUSE. Get that through your head.

[NOFX]

oh shyt...sorry...
so i see..because she didn't liek ur gift amy called her a dumbass...totally called for...definitely...uhuh i see ur point...:roll:
I asked her to leave me alone and called her a dumbass because she had left the site (we had worked things out via PM before she left) and when she came back was suddenly trying to attack me. :what:

And I don't think Eran's trying to make the site accomidate me, I think it's that he's constantly thinking abotu the site rules. He talks to oc about them all the time anyway.

[Blazed]

really good arguments...:roll:

i'll just end my contribution to this thread by saying..we ALLLLLLLLL know who the fuck causes drama on this site..and to change the fuckin rules to accomodate them so they can continue to cause drama is just absurd.

[Eran]

really good arguments...:roll:

i'll just end my contribution to this thread by saying..we ALLLLLLLLL know who the fuck causes drama on this site..and to change the fuckin rules to accomodate them so they can continue to cause drama is just absurd.

Wow, you're a real piece of work. Yeah, take vanessa's side. She didn't do anything in this situation. Everything she does is A-OK. Fucking hypocrite.

[Blazed]

haha take her side LMAO...real mature eran....

i brought vanessa in this to use her as an example of things that goes on this site that deserves getting warned and banned for....i.e. the comments made toward, about her...
i hope u get what u want so amy doesn't get banned...but i'm not on ur side...because i firmly believe u created this thread for her...liek i said before she was trouble free in her smod days... or maybe i should say they were overlooked due to her being a smod...maybe thats something to think about

now i don't play the little pm games u do with the mods and smods and the admins..i voice my opinion so that every1 can see it and put their 2 cents in...and they are all over the last 2 pages ;)


other members please feel free to put ur opinions in :D

[bizoneoeh]

Wow, you're a real piece of work. Yeah, take vanessa's side. She didn't do anything in this situation. Everything she does is A-OK. Fucking hypocrite.
you're crying about warnings then you talk shit, you're the hypocrite nigga. Just look at the fuckin thread you started baboso :retard:

[NOFX]

haha take her side LMAO...real mature eran....

i brought vanessa in this to use her as an example of things that goes on this site that deserves getting warned and banned for....i.e. the comments made toward, about her...
i hope u get what u want so amy doesn't get banned...but i'm not on ur side...because i firmly believe u created this thread for her...liek i said before she was trouble free in her smod days...maybe thats something to think about

now i don't play the little pm games u do with the mods and smods and the admins..i voice my opinion so that every1 can see it and put their 2 cents in...and they are all over the last 2 pages ;)
Actually... I wasn't trouble free in my smod days. Lots of people tried to start stuff with me then. It was MUCH worse when I was an smod. My blue name seemed almost to draw them to me moreso. In fact I stepped down as a mod because people kept trying to start drama with me.

It wasn't that long ago. I'm surprised you've already forgotten.

And the mods ask you to PM them if you have a problem. I was always lead to believe they would rather keep things off the forum and have everyone complain quietly than in public.

[Eran]

I can't believe you think vanessa should get no punishment for the same thing you think amy or I should get punishment for. You mention NOTHING about vanessa deserving a warning or ban. You actually loby for it being ok that she retaliates to comments against her.

[Blazed]

i forget because i'm not anal about some miniscule things unlike some people on this site..who basically saves everything oin their harddrives in the hope that one day they can whip it out and go BAMMMMMMMM told ya...:laugh:

what im saying is simple...the rules of this site should not change to accomodate no one single person.

[bizoneoeh]

i forget because i'm not anal about some miniscule things unlike some people on this site..who basically saves everything oin their harddrives in the hope that one day they can whip it out and go BAMMMMMMMM told ya...:laugh:

what im saying is simple...the rules of this site should not change to accomodate no one single person.
just forget them homie, these foO's aint shit but emo ass drama.



this is exactly why you guys get warned ;)

[Eran]

what im saying is simple...the rules of this site should not change to accomodate no one single person.

then don't say one person is waranted where the other is just creating drama :what:

[Blazed]

I can't believe you think vanessa should get no punishment for the same thing you think amy or I should get punishment for. You mention NOTHING about vanessa deserving a warning or ban. You actually loby for it being ok that she retaliates to comments against her.

stop crying about vanessa...
vanessa is nothing if u compare her next to amy...as far as causing drama on this site goes... :roll:

[Eran]

just forget them homie, these foO's aint shit but emo ass drama.



this is exactly why you guys get warned ;)

see, the sad thing about that comment is you and I are actually on the same page. Neither of us are for complaining to a mod as soon as something is said against us. We'd rather just say our piece and be done with it.

Oh, and blazed: I use vanessa as the example because that's who you're being hypocritical about.

[Blazed]

then don't say one person is waranted where the other is just creating drama :what:

:clap::clap::clap:

amy&eran>vanesssa & the whole site when it comes to dramma..
so i wouldn't be talking. and i'm only counting post Jade era..:roll:

[NOFX]

just forget them homie, these foO's aint shit but emo ass drama.



this is exactly why you guys get warned ;)
I'm not making drama. All i'm doing is asking a question. :( A mod still hasn't come in and answered it though and I'm starting to think it's going to be closed before that.

I've seen Eran make threads before abotu site rules and such. Depending on other people's views and comments sometimes the thread goes well, sometimes someone decides they're against it and decides to post that they think the thread starter is just trying to start trouble again by proposing a legit idea.

[Blazed]

i'm done with this thread..i'll check on it to see what the outcome is later on...

[Eran]

:clap::clap::clap:

amy&eran>vanesssa & the whole site when it comes to dramma..
so i wouldn't be talking. and i'm only counting post Jade era..:roll:

So I guess you are for the double standard. One person is new, so they can create drama. But as soon as someone who has a "history" comes in and gets into it, it's suddenly their fault. Great point of view. Fair and ethical treatment doesn't factor past history into it. You can't want black and white rules when you're gonna much it up with that gray shit.

All you seem to want to do in this thread is start shit. It was perfectly legit and fine before you came in and started saying that I have alterior motives and that I'm just creating drama with this thread. I actually CARED when I made this thread. I wanted it to be a reasonable discussion about the warning system. But NO. You come in and say I'm ONLY posting because Amy might get banned, or I might get banned, or because it's about vanessa. This is shit I've talked about for a long time. You had to come in here and just RIP it down in a very immature way by saying the only reason I made it is because I'm emo drama. Fuck that.

[connies92hatchie]

What's wrong with suggestions and having an open mind about different points of views?

[oc_civic]

ok look lets just get this over and done with...

1) the warning system stays untill there is a reason to change it...
2) amy does have a fairly valid point about the warnings reseting.. unfortuntaely i can only imagine that someone concerned about them reseting forsees themselves getting more.. but i will still look into it as it is a pretty valid point...
3) bizoneoeh and blazed hit it right on the head... if you start shit, or participate in the BS drama.. realize that you could end up getting a warning or temp ban.. like he said.. its NOT like we hide that info.. if you want to stay here.. read the rules and follow them..
4) if you dont like someone ignore them... if they start with you report the thread.. those are the site rules.. im sorry some of you dotn agree with them.. but hey there are no sets of rules that will pelase everyone...

ill let this thread go on.. as long as it stops being about specific people.. that will again lead to BS

[NOFX]

Thanks oc. I actually could forsee me getting another warning. That's not because I want to create drama (in fact I think I've been pretty good lately and have changed my ways mostly. I've learnt to hold my tounge.). It's because I dont plan on leaving this site for a long long time. So yes, I could see me getting a wanring in the two-five years that I could still be on this site. I really don't know how long I'll continue coming here (too many things affect that that I can't change), but I won't be leaving anytime soon. :)

[$lick Rick]

if you incite drama, you will be punished

if you perpetuate the drama you are just as guilty as the person who incited it...

just because someone else started it, does NOT make it ok for you to finish it.....

if you get 3 warnings and then banned, your warning count will not return to 0
at this point you have proven that you need to be watched more closely and eventually the ban will just not be lifted.... problem solved
if you are in the position that this effects you negatively, then instead of looking at site policy, you need to be looking at your own behavior

[NOFX]

I have looked at my behavior.... And I do think I'm being better. I'm saying one more slip up and I'm gone. Doesn't matter if it's three years from now.

[$lick Rick]

I have looked at my behavior.... I'm saying one more slip up and I'm gone. Doesn't matter if it's three years from now.


yup.... better keep your nose clean eh?

the mod staff is lenient... too lenient sometimes... the results of yesterdays "excitement" should show just how lenient the mod staff is... ALLOT more warnings could and should have been handed out to allot more people

the fact that there werent was the proof of grace ;)

[oc_civic]

if you incite drama, you will be punished

if you perpetuate the drama you are just as guilty as the person who incited it...

just because someone else started it, does NOT make it ok for you to finish it.....

if you get 3 warnings and then banned, your warning count will not return to 0
at this point you have proven that you need to be watched more closely and eventually the ban will just not be lifted.... problem solved
if you are in the position that this effects you negatively, then instead of looking at site policy, you need to be looking at your own behavior

wow.. i think that is the first Todd post i ever COMPLETEY agreed with.. :D

I have looked at my behavior.... And I do think I'm being better. I'm saying one more slip up and I'm gone. Doesn't matter if it's three years from now.

i agree that you have been better at not talking shit.. and you DO pm me abou stuff INSTEAD of fighting about it... and thats great.. it makes the site easier to manage and it gets things done... although you might not have been initially satisfied by me the last time you PM'd me about the problem with that other member... i believe that the resolution has caused that problem to end.. so all in all it worked out.. BTW when you are on aim next ill let you know what your "warning" status is..

[BlackHopeDC5]

I have looked at my behavior.... And I do think I'm being better. I'm saying one more slip up and I'm gone. Doesn't matter if it's three years from now.
I dont understand why you wont just think in your miind "Dont slip up again". You are grown enough to do that.

If someone gets caught stealing at their job twice and then "slip up" again three years later, should they not get fired becuase the warnings were erased. ?

[Tom]

wow.. i think that is the first Todd post i ever COMPLETEY agreed with.. :D



i agree that you have been better at not talking shit.. and you DO pm me abou stuff INSTEAD of fighting about it... and thats great.. it makes the site easier to manage and it gets things done... although you might not have been initially satisfied by me the last time you PM'd me about the problem with that other member... i believe that the resolution has caused that problem to end.. so all in all it worked out.. BTW when you are on aim next ill let you know what your "warning" status is..
i also agree with Todd 100%, it doesn't amtter how many times you get warned, they will always stay on a permenant record in the mod lounge, why, well keep track of those who cause trouble to decide any future punishments that may need handed down,

Yes the mod staff is too easy going on other members, when's the last time i banned someone for god sake

[Blazed]

yup.... better keep your nose clean eh?

the mod staff is lenient... too lenient sometimes... the results of yesterdays "excitement" should show just how lenient the mod staff is... ALLOT more warnings could and should have been handed out to allot more people

the fact that there werent was the proof of grace ;)

u see this is funny because most of my comments really have nothing to do with yesterday's drama..but i knew it was going to happen because that was the direction it was going towards for the last few days...
and forever really..

i have said this..u guys r way too lenient...and i foresee ur pm boxes being filled with unecessary reporting by eran and amy of me and maybe biz..HAHAHAHA....either way do feel free to warn/ban me if u see the need ;)

[NOFX]

I dont understand why you wont just think in your miind "Dont slip up again". You are grown enough to do that.

If someone gets caught stealing at their job twice and then "slip up" again three years later, should they not get fired becuase the warnings were erased. ?
But I'm not stealing anything... You're over exaggerating.

[Tom]

But I'm not stealing anything... You're over exaggerating.
stealing or not, he makes a good point, would a employer just erase and forget about those stealings a employee did, probably not, it would go in there perm record, just like any and all warning made by mods.

[Shogun]

I think that if someone had gotten two strikes and then they proved to everyone that they have changed and they have changed their behavior, then 3 years down the road they make one mistake, then I don't think they should be punished.

[BlackHopeDC5]

But I'm not stealing anything... You're over exaggerating.
Maybe, but your making it seem as though you dont have enough control over yourself to not do something that would warrent you getting a warning, You are asking for your warnings to reset over a period of time infering that somthing is bound to happen sooner or later and you dont want to pay the consequences.

Honestly Ive seen you argue several valid points in the past

This one seems like its not valid at all. Just dont do anything that would get you another warning..

[NOFX]

I think that if someone had gotten two strikes and then they proved to everyone that they have changed and they have changed their behavior, then 3 years down the road they make one mistake, then I don't think they should be punished.
:thumbs up This is what I mean.

[Tom]

2 words.

PERM RECORD!

those warning will always be on your record, though everytime you get punished it may start over again, but everytime a member fucks up it'll always be on their history of whatevr they did.

[Shogun]

but people change. You can't assume that when someone makes mistakes that they are gonna stay the same a long time down the road. I personally think that I have changed in maturity and I don't make such stupid decisions that I did quite a while ago. Whenever you make a mistake, you try and make it better or fix it.

[Tom]

change or not, just cause someone changes their future doesn't mean they can change their past.

Look at the founder of teh Crip's, he's on death row now for a murder he commited years ago, and though he has changed his life to accept god, and is a public speaker against gang violence, do you think he's going to be forgiven since he hasn't fucked up in forever, probably not.

[Shogun]

but sometimes people are forgiven. Somtimes a person gets parole and they get to get out of jail because the people have seen that they have changed and they now are a better person and will never make a big mistake again in their lives. They have seen the consquences and they will change for the better. I'm preety much done with this thread, you are the mod and I can't change your mind.

[Tom]

correct, my thoughts won't be changed, perm records will stay, till there are valid reason to get rid of them.

[NOFX]

I don't think Stan "Tookie" Williams is a good example. I think that's a bit severe in comparission. He KILLED SIX PEOPLE (that we know of).

The worse I can think of Jason or I doing is pissing someone off or hurting someone's (as so many people like to say) "e-feelings".

[$lick Rick]

but sometimes people are forgiven. Somtimes a person gets parole and they get to get out of jail because the people have seen that they have changed and they now are a better person and will never make a big mistake again in their lives. They have seen the consquences and they will change for the better. I'm preety much done with this thread, you are the mod and I can't change your mind.

forgiven, pardoned, paroled, etc.....whatever the action taken... the record still remains... and a record of that action is noted

just because someone is "on parole" does not mean their record is erased....


i understand people are affraid of a negative record... and that's GOOD, because that's the entire point of keeping such a record... it's a deterrant WITH consequences

[skinnyjdm]

Well they could get the record expunged depending on the crime but that has nothing to do with this thread :lol:

I see nothing wrong with the 3 strike rule. The banning is temporary and if by some strange reason it is "permanent" contact an admin and talk to them about it. If you can show good cause it will be worked out for your return. Look at Max and lin

[$lick Rick]

I see nothing wrong with the 3 strike rule.

:werd:
one thing that allot of people seem to forget is that the 3 strikes rule is there for the members protection as much as anything...

it was implamented because in the ol days you could be perma banned just because a mod didnt like you
this current mod staff is nothing but carebears when compared

the 3 strike rule protects %99 of the membership, but the less than %1 who have taken things too far on too many occasions concider it a "bad thing"...

[joe7987]

I think what some of you are having problems understanding... is that there IS a LOT of gray. This is not black and white, three strikes your out for a certain amount of time.

Within Rule number 12, the following can be read:

"Three warning will result in a temporary ban; the length of this ban will generally be short (but its important to remember it is up to the discretion of the staff and will vary depending on what prompted the warnings).Three warning will result in a temporary ban; the length of this ban will generally be short (but its important to remember it is up to the discretion of the staff and will vary depending on what prompted the warnings)."

You guys have NO clue how much discussion goes on in each given situation. We debate and we debate and then we debate some more on the appropriate course of action. This can go on for days.... or in some cases, weeks/months. It's an ongoing process in which we make sure we come to a reasonable conclusion.

I personally believe we are VERY lenient. I'm actually probably one of the hardasses who likes to hold fast to the rules. We do, however, let a LOT slide.

And I don't think that some of you understand just how this whole banning thing works. Usually, initial bans are for a very short period of time.. and then they escalate to whatever we think is necessary. Permabans are VERY rare. Even then, they arent really permanent. There have been multiple occasions in which the offender has contacted a member of the mod staff and was truly apologetic. We take that into consideration, have a discussion, and more often than not... we let that member back.

And I think somebody said that OC is one of the stricter ones of us. You're crazy. OC is one of the kinder mods. He's always looking for the good in people and he actually puts up with the constant bullshit on this site. He receives SO many PMs from people... some which are legitimate, some which arent quite as legitimate. Regardless, a lot of people would get completely fed up with this lack of the capability of the member to deal with situations on their own. Anthony handles it all rationally and takes it out on nobody. This guy takes a shitload of abuse. Most of you don't realize the shit we gave him in the beginning, and how he worked his ass off to re-earn the respect of the mods, and to keep the respect and the peace between the members.

Anyway, I think the warning system should stay in place. I don't think any changes are necessary. It's working fine. I've been here for about 2.5 years now.. and have NEVER received a single warning. It hasnt been difficult. As somebody else said, if you have a problem with the rules, maybe you should look at faults in yourself before assuming the rules are faulty.

Sorry for the novel.. I guess I'm a little opinionated on the issue ;)

[NOFX]

You don't have to tell Eran or I how being a mod works. :what:

[Rand0m]

You don't have to tell Eran or I how being a mod works. :what:
:rolf: maybe he already forgot :what:

:lol:

[Tom]

Amy things have changed dramatically since y'all were mods.

[joe7987]

Amy things have changed dramatically since y'all were mods.

Exactly. Things have changed dramatically since I first became a mod even.

[Eran]

I think what some of you are having problems understanding... is that there IS a LOT of gray. This is not black and white, three strikes your out for a certain amount of time.

Within Rule number 12, the following can be read:

"Three warning will result in a temporary ban; the length of this ban will generally be short (but its important to remember it is up to the discretion of the staff and will vary depending on what prompted the warnings).Three warning will result in a temporary ban; the length of this ban will generally be short (but its important to remember it is up to the discretion of the staff and will vary depending on what prompted the warnings)."

You guys have NO clue how much discussion goes on in each given situation. We debate and we debate and then we debate some more on the appropriate course of action. This can go on for days.... or in some cases, weeks/months. It's an ongoing process in which we make sure we come to a reasonable conclusion.

I personally believe we are VERY lenient. I'm actually probably one of the hardasses who likes to hold fast to the rules. We do, however, let a LOT slide.

And I don't think that some of you understand just how this whole banning thing works. Usually, initial bans are for a very short period of time.. and then they escalate to whatever we think is necessary. Permabans are VERY rare. Even then, they arent really permanent. There have been multiple occasions in which the offender has contacted a member of the mod staff and was truly apologetic. We take that into consideration, have a discussion, and more often than not... we let that member back.

And I think somebody said that OC is one of the stricter ones of us. You're crazy. OC is one of the kinder mods. He's always looking for the good in people and he actually puts up with the constant bullshit on this site. He receives SO many PMs from people... some which are legitimate, some which arent quite as legitimate. Regardless, a lot of people would get completely fed up with this lack of the capability of the member to deal with situations on their own. Anthony handles it all rationally and takes it out on nobody. This guy takes a shitload of abuse. Most of you don't realize the shit we gave him in the beginning, and how he worked his ass off to re-earn the respect of the mods, and to keep the respect and the peace between the members.

Anyway, I think the warning system should stay in place. I don't think any changes are necessary. It's working fine. I've been here for about 2.5 years now.. and have NEVER received a single warning. It hasnt been difficult. As somebody else said, if you have a problem with the rules, maybe you should look at faults in yourself before assuming the rules are faulty.

Sorry for the novel.. I guess I'm a little opinionated on the issue ;)

Joe, I know how much discussion goes on for situations. I know exactly how much gray area there is. There's quite a bit. The only reason I bring it up is that every time oc_civic and I have a debate, that is the KEY point we're dancing around. He wants it to be black and white, no situational evidence, equal treatment for the same crime. And I also understand full well how being banned works. Please don't assume what I do or do not know. The process may have changed since I was a mod, but the end result is always the same.

[Eran]

By the way, this can be closed at any time. It's apparently not going anywhere.

[joe7987]

Joe, I know how much discussion goes on for situations. I know exactly how much gray area there is. There's quite a bit. The only reason I bring it up is that every time oc_civic and I have a debate, that is the KEY point we're dancing around. He wants it to be black and white, no situational evidence, equal treatment for the same crime. And I also understand full well how being banned works. Please don't assume what I do or do not know. The process may have changed since I was a mod, but the end result is always the same.

Alright. I hope I did not offend you by writing it all out. It was only meant to make sure everything was clear. It has been a while since you've been a mod and I wanted to make absolute sure that everything was understood as a lot of changes have occurred since then.

I also believe that equal treatment for the same crime is justified.. If not, we're simply playing favorites.

And once again... I don't believe that OC is a black and white kind of guy. Or atleast that's not how he portrays himself when we're having a discussion. He always takes into account the individual situations or so far as I've seen anyway.

[Eran]

Alright. I hope I did not offend you by writing it all out. It was only meant to make sure everything was clear. It has been a while since you've been a mod and I wanted to make absolute sure that everything was understood as a lot of changes have occurred since then.

I also believe that equal treatment for the same crime is justified.. If not, we're simply playing favorites.

And once again... I don't believe that OC is a black and white kind of guy. Or atleast that's not how he portrays himself when we're having a discussion. He always takes into account the individual situations or so far as I've seen anyway.

It's the exact opposite when I'm talking to him. He's all about black and white.