no i meant what i said. im not much of a fan of the 7th gens. they are heavier than the previous gens by a large margin ( a stripper dx coupe, the lightest 7th gen is 2405 lbs, about the weight of my tank of a 95 ex coupe), compared to 2098 for a eg cx or vx hatch. the higher models are even heavier, with the si hatchback coming in at a portly 2744 lbs. the rsx swap is no easier to do in a 7th gen than either an eg or ek, as i know hasport has a running ek k20a, and im pretty sure they have an eg too. also, the change from double wishbones to the much simpler mac strut in the front killed one of the best attributes of the civic, its suspension. the d17 is definitely not one of hondas best efforts either, nor was the switch to the returnless fuel system good for modding. dont take any offense, its just my $.02