PA family refuses to give 10-year-old New Orleans' boy his dog back

What shoudl happen to the dog?

  • The family in PA should give the dog back to the 10-year-old in New Orleans.

    Votes: 20 74.1%
  • Finders keepers. If they wanted it so bad they'd go to PA and get the dog.

    Votes: 7 25.9%

  • Total voters
    27

$lick Rick

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Beelzebubba said:
okay okay, What about places like Wilkes Barre PA? That's flooded out several times in the last 30 or so years but no one's screaming about how the good people of Pennsylvania are dumbasses. :what:

i get what you're saying. To me it makes more sense to live at the bottom edge of tornado alley where a tornado might eventually damage your property than near a fault line where eventually you are going to get f**ked up....or at least the property you now own will eventually get f**ked up. You might already be dead when "the big one" hits. Point is that where you sleep is eventually going to be f**ked. And that's the way you feel about floods. that your s**t will eventually get f**ked up if you live in a flood plain. :lol:


i get what you're saying.. but instead of those scenarios, wouldnt it be a much better choice to live somewhere where constantly occuring natural disasters are not a certainty?

i mean, i could stand in the middle of a highway and make the argument that people drive cars through houses too, but it still wont change the fact that staying in a place where cars are coming through on a regular basis is retarded

same thing with natural disasters... you can make the argument that natural disasters can happen anywhere, but to live in a place where natural disasters happen regularly (especially a place NAMED for it's natural disasters eg: tornado alley) is just begging for trouble and i dont want ot hear people b***h or act suprised.
But back to the dog...
look, I'm sorry some 10 year old misses his damn dog but to expect the new family to hand deliver your pet from 1000 miles away after you were negligent in it's care is just ridiculous. The new family is obviously just as attached to the dog now if they are willing to hire an attorney to keep it.
they never expected the family to hand deliver the dog, the new orleans woman wanted to send either a company or a friend to pick up the dog, they would not give the dog back unless the woman herself picked up the dog. and then that changed to not returning the dog what so ever.

if the new family was so attached, then the offer to reunite the dog with it's original family would/should have never been made
 

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Beelzebubba said:
But back to the dog...
look, I'm sorry some 10 year old misses his damn dog but to expect the new family to hand deliver your pet from 1000 miles away after you were negligent in it's care is just ridiculous. The new family is obviously just as attached to the dog now if they are willing to hire an attorney to keep it.
Does no one notice I repeatedly am repeating ho wthe article mentioned a family friend was willing to pick the dog up for the people in NO?
$lick Rick said:
they never expected the family to hand deliver the dog, the new orleans woman wanted to send either a company or a friend to pick up the dog, they would not give the dog back unless the woman herself picked up the dog. and then that changed to not returning the dog what so ever.

if the new family was so attached, then the offer to reunite the dog with it's original family would/should have never been made
Finally someone else gets what I'm saying.

From what was said in the article (though not all the info available I suspect) it sounds like the people in PA offered the dog back then for whatever changed their mind. If it has anythign to do with it having to be the NOP mother that comes to pick up the dog in person, then yes, I do think that's unreasonable. And if the people in PA decided to just not give back the dog because it was stated that only that one woman was allowed to pick the dog up in order for them to get the dog back was unreasonable, then it sounds like a spiteful thing. Being an adult, the woman in PA should be ashamed of herself for doing things like this to a child out of spite.
 


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Being that there isn't enough info in the article nobody really has the right to form an opinion. Half of the entire argument is missing.
 

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Dogfight escalates over Katrina pet

By PATRICK LESTER
The Intelligencer


A New Orleans dog left homeless and without his family after Hurricane Katrina last year is in the middle of a custody battle between the animal's original owner and the Doylestown family that adopted him after the disaster.

Sheila Combs, a New Orleans woman who lost virtually everything she owned in the hurricane, said she wants nothing more than to have Rocket, her 10-year-old son's chow-Finnish spitz mix, returned home.

Lynne Welsh, the Doylestown woman who took in the now 2-year-old dog from a local shelter last November and said she went to great lengths to find the dog's owner last year, plans to keep Rocket and she's hired an attorney to represent her. She claims she's the target of a harassment campaign orchestrated by volunteers helping hurricane victims find their pets.

It's the type of animal tug-of-war that's being played out across the country as pet owners from the Gulf Coast try to relocate and recoup pets they lost during and after evacuations.

A number of cases have already ended up in courtrooms across the country, and this particular case appears headed to a judge as well.

Welsh said late last week that she was willing to return the dog to Combs as long as she was willing to come to this area to get him. Welsh made the decision after consulting with “The Dog Whisperer,' an animal psychologist, and after two women working on behalf of Combs came to the area asking for a police escort to Welsh's house. By the weekend, Welsh changed her mind and decided to keep Rocket.

Richard Elliott, Welsh's attorney, said that Welsh and her husband, Joseph, feel that they are “legally and emotionally entitled” to the canine. He said Combs, whose first contact with Welsh was June 6, has “refused to have any kind of meaningful reunification with the dog that would not result in further trauma to this animal.

“This animal has spent the last eight or nine months, after a two-week period of serious suffering, in a new home with a new family. Being suddenly and without any kind of re-introduction (to Combs and her son) traveling on a plane in a baggage compartment ... would certainly not do this animal any good.”

Combs said Welsh is “stonewalling and has been doing that from the beginning” and that she is willing to have someone pay a visit to Doylestown to retrieve the dog. She said it's “unreasonable” for Welsh to expect her to fly to Pennsylvania considering that she is a single, working mother and that she's in the midst of trying to rebuild her house in New Orleans.

“Emotionally, I'm so frustrated with this whole situation,” said Combs. “I don't have a choice right now but to get an attorney. I will not give up. I am just as determined to get the dog back (as Welsh is to keep it).”

Welsh's attorney said his client believes she is doing what's best for Rocket.

“I think (Welsh) recognizes that taking such a position may be somewhat controversial in the eyes of some of your readership,” Elliott said. “But given what I have learned about the whole situation, I think her position is perfectly appropriate.”

In New Jersey, a judge earlier this year ruled that a Louisiana family that lost its dog after the hurricane — not the New Jersey family that adopted the animal — should keep the dog. An 86-year-old hurricane victim recently filed a lawsuit in an attempt to get his poodle back from a woman in the Pittsburgh area, according to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. A similar lawsuit is expected to be filed in Montgomery County Court this week on behalf of another hurricane victim trying to get his dog back.

The ongoing animal searches and legal battles have spawned the creation of a number of volunteer groups helping hurricane victims find their animals.

Last week, it appeared Rocket — the Welshes renamed him Rusty — was headed back to New Orleans for a reunion. Welsh last week said she decided to return the dog after consulting with the person she said is the authority on dogs — Cesar Millan, better known as “The Dog Whisperer,” who has his own cable television show. Welsh said she spoke to one of Millan's assistants.

“The Dog Whisperer is a world expert on dog behavior and feelings,” Welsh said last week. “I wasn't sure what to do. The dog was with us for so long. (The Dog Whisperer) said the dog should go back and would not be re-traumatized. My hope is that other families who have adopted pets (from hurricane-ravaged areas) give them back.”

Welsh, who this week referred questions to her attorney, contacted the Dog Whisperer after women from Delaware and California paid a visit to Bucks County looking for the dog. Two weeks ago, Anita Wollison and Laura Bergerol of California visited the borough's police station asking for a police escort to Welsh's home. Police Chief James Donnelly said his officers didn't get involved because it's a civil matter. “There are two sides,” Donnelly said. “We're not going to decide which is right.”

Wollison, a Delaware woman and member of a network of people across the country helping Katrina victims find their lost pets, called Welsh's decision to keep the dog “ridiculous.”

Elliott said his client made “heroic efforts” to contact Rocket's owner once she brought the dog home, calling the phone number on his dog tag, sending letters and putting information about Rocket on Internet sites.

Combs said she didn't have access to e-mail nor her home phone, having moved temporarily to Baton Rouge while trying to rebuild her New Orleans home. “For someone who has lost everything ... I was trying to make sure we had stable housing and have our immediate needs met.”

Wollison said Rocket was picked up with thousands of other animals after the hurricane. Rocket was first sent a few hours from New Orleans to a shelter set up by the Humane Society of the United States after the hurricane. From there, he was taken by plane to this area by the American Boarding and Kennel Association. Rocket was likely flown to Philadelphia Airport and taken to a Lansdale kennel before being delivered to a shelter in Doylestown. The Welshes brought Rocket home on the day before Thanksgiving last year.

Wollison, who after seeing television images of dogs left behind with their families after the hurricane decided to help families find their pets, said she's worked on hundreds of similar cases since the hurricane.

“Many of them for the longest time did not have Internet access,” said Wollison, whose group is called No Animal Left Behind. “Many people didn't know petfinder.com (an Internet pet searching tool) existed. ... One of the biggest obstacles we've been fighting is complete ignorance of why so many of these animals were left behind.”
 


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Remember:

Shiela Combs = mother in New Orleans

Lynne Welsh = woman in PA

Also, a witness acount from NO. Not about this dog, but it shows that some people were told they could not bring their pets nor could they stay with them.
In the wake of Katrina, I flew with Angel Flight missions down to the Baton Rouge area to pick up refugees and deliver them to cities where family or friends waited to take them in. The people we picked up had their crap in garbage bags and were wearing donated clothes.

One lady we picked up started crying halfway to Alabama, and when we started talking with her, she told us that she tried to bring her dogs with her, but the people who were evacuating her told her she couldn't bring them. She had to leave them behind in her home. She even told them she wanted to stay, since her house wasn't as bad as others, but they told her if she resisted she would be arrested and forcibly removed.
 

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Back to my previous comment.

Not worth it to get an attorney. Give it up. Much greater stuff to worry about then a dog.
and I thought a dog was expensive just taking it to the vet. WTF is this lady thinking of getting
an attorney? s**t happens. The dogs 2 years old.. and its been gone for a year....its not
like its been with the family for years. eitherway give up. Financial responbility is to get
things together for her and her son. Care for her son with whatever money shes got.
Not fight for a f'ing dog for her son.
 


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