I apologise for that comment but the civic and the ram are the vehicles I currently own that are for sale. If you look hard enough you can get some amazing deals. I only paied $2850 for the civic with 120,000 miles on it 97' 4 door ex excelent condition from the first owner with laminated doncumentation of all work done. I put 20,000 miles on the car and will still make a profit when i sell it. If that makes me a damn idiot then i must be a damn idiot. I only came here to find out if the rims would fit and to see if people liked them. The consensus is they will fit and everybody likes the rims, this will make the car look better and help the sale of it. The people on dodgetalk.com were more then helpful and nice about it when i had questions about the truck.