anyways, one of my kicker comps blew so i found someone selling 2 kenwood 12's for $100 ... at first i was a bit sceptical but after hooking em up and hearing them before i bought them, i was confident they were not blown and sounded good. Once i got home i took them out of the shitty box the guy gave me with them and put them into the nice box i had my kickers in. needless to say, these hit a LOT harder than my kickers did ... i am truly suprised by the quality of the sound on these, and glad i made this purchase.