oo a tsb # great info!
gl on getting it fixed.
gl on getting it fixed.
I have a similar story to shaleridge - I have a 2006 Civic EX with around the same miles (80K) and I have been told by a Honda car dealer in the San Fernando Valley that I have a cracked engine block. He quoted me a price of $6,500 to repair it!!!! He told me today that he called Honda to try and get "assistance" but they told him there would be absolutely no assistance in this case. They said 80K miles means the car was beyond warranty and they could not help! If I had this Honda for like 200K miles - then yes, I would expect something like this to happen.. NOT AT 80K MILES and not even 3 years OLD! I'm going to try to contact Honda factory directly & see what they have to say. I'll post a followup later.I have a 2006 civic and love it! (This is my 2nd civic in 15 yrs)... Inspite of my immaculate care I have discovered I have a cracked engine block at 86,000 miles. I have uncovered that there is an internal Bulletin (#08-044) within the Honda company stating that there is coolant leakage and overheating problem caused by a CRACKED ENGINE BLOCK in the 2006-2008 model engines, Hence... MANUFACTURERS DEFECT! I am 6000 miles passed my warranty and Honda is giving me the run around. I'm pursuing their replacement of my motor and want to give everyone else who is and will be effected the heads up as to not give up. Honda is a great company and needs to take care of there mistakes!
UPDATE: 05/08/09: My dealer fell (partially) on the sword and will swap the short block for $1,394 - they calc'd this at 61% of cost. We still need to follow up with our State Attny General's offices seeking restitution under applicable state Lemon Law.My 2006 Civic EX was just given the cracked block diagnosis too. At 101k on the ODO, of course, Honda is not willing to take responsibilty for the defective short block. I sent off a complaint to the MA Attny General's office - made a fruitless, (although pleasant), call to American Honda requesting a recall/action/assistance and I'm still waiting to hear from the "Zone"as to how much, (read: little), Honda is willing to pay of the near $4,000 cost to swap the block.
I've posted a group on Facebook and hope to see just how many in number we actually are:
http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/group.php?gid=91205162783&ref=mf
Its under the name 2006-2007 Honda Owners
My last Honda, '91 Civic Si, went 335k before I sold it and bought this one, (its living a happy Honda life in Tunerville), which is now my biggest regret - I should have put the $20k in the '91 Si!! (at least IT still has a resale value)
I work at a Honda dealer, we've seen several of these blocks come in, as far as I know, Honda is working with the owners of these cars by installing a new short-block, you really have to complain alot though yo get your way, but eventually they'll back down. The technical term they use is "Pourous Block".I have a high mileage Civic EX (112k) that with a cracked block.
Sunday I smelled coolant and checked it out to find a puddle under the car.
The next day I took it to the dealer service department and they said it was an "O" ring in the coolant pipe, no mention of a cracked block, how could they miss that ? I drove off after 400 dollars departed my bank only to have the engine light come on immediately. I took it back to the dealer and they reexamined and found that the block was cracked.
Here is the history: 112k mostly highway miles in the last 2.5 years (11/05 purchased) all maintenance on time and at same dealer.
I hear rumors of a casting problem with these engine blocks anyone know anything. This could be big problem.
UPDATE: 05/08/09: My dealer fell (partially) on the sword and will swap the short block for $1,394 - they calc'd this at 61% of cost. We still need to follow up with our State Attny General's offices seeking restitution under applicable state Lemon Law.
FYI, there is one slightly used '06 Civic Ex for sale after 5/15/09 - as is condition!
I am interested in that as well. Does anyone know the answer? I will ask the dealership too. Were the engines fixed starting with the 09 Honda? I am also not sure how Honda can replace the engine block. All the mechanics I talked to said the entire engine will have to be replaced. Will the new mold fit this older engine? Too many unknowns.I need to ask the service department but I thought I would ask you all. Does Honda replace the 06 Engine blocks with a new 09 engine block? I just wonder what the likelihood of it cracking again is if it is replaced? :
simple answer, NO, the block that would replace it is from the service bulletin, not just for 09 exact, honda doesn't date replace parts, like if it was made from 08, they don't scrape and then sell the 09, they just sell till depleted and then order more from the manufacturer, such as any business would, sometimes the part number gets changed, which would mean some sort of revision, we call that a supersession (supercede's).I am interested in that as well. Does anyone know the answer? I will ask the dealership too. Were the engines fixed starting with the 09 Honda? I am also not sure how Honda can replace the engine block. All the mechanics I talked to said the entire engine will have to be replaced. Will the new mold fit this older engine? Too many unknowns.
I do have the 60K power train warranty, but mine is at 65K. HOWEVER, the last time I was at the dealeship, it WAS under 60K. Maybe it might not sound so good, but believe me, if suing the dealer for not noting the problem will get me a free service, I will do it. I just don't have four grand lying around to pay for this. And why should I? This is a design flaw. By the way, the mechanics at the dealers do suck sometimes. Some months ago I took my car for an oil change and later when I was trying to change my brakes I noticed a thick layer of oil in the right wheel. Basically I had a punctured boot. The dealer did not even notify me! I took my car to a dealer to fix it, they refused because I had "attempted" to change my brakes. Then I drove my car to the same dealer that had changed my oil and blamed them problem on them and their negligence. They just shut up and changed the boot. Is this the sort of honesty that a DEALER should engage in? These guys are schmucks and should be treated as such when they treat the customer like s**t.simple answer, NO, the block that would replace it is from the service bulletin, not just for 09 exact, honda doesn't date replace parts, like if it was made from 08, they don't scrape and then sell the 09, they just sell till depleted and then order more from the manufacturer, such as any business would, sometimes the part number gets changed, which would mean some sort of revision, we call that a supersession (supercede's).
All the mechanics you talked to are idiots, yes you can replace just the block, and yes it fits the older engine's, not sure what you mean , but i have a idea, it's a R18 block, same one honda has been using since the 2006 model year, just a revised block versus the one's that have been cracking.
There are no unkown's, you just have to do your research more thoroughly and don't ask shade tree mechanics if you can replace just the block, they obviously have no clue what the heck they're talking about.
Also look into your warranty, having an 07 coupe like you do it should be a 5 year/ 60k mile warranty, depending on your service history, your dealer might be able to get it covered under a one time goodwill, however if you have not been a regular member then not only they, but also honda may refuse to either partial pay for it, or fix it for free under goodwill.
It all depends on how much of a loyal customer you have been, but my first suggestion is drop the idea of suing the dealer, cause they had no hand in making the engine, thus they are not liable to financially pad your pockets, or responsible for replacing it at their expense, they had no hand in this issue other then being a new car sale's lot, and trying to meet your needs until you become overly aggressive at them.
FYI, i work and have been working for a dealer dealer on the east coast for 7 years doing parts, i'm very close with our regional parts and service manager, i don't think he or honda would appreciate hearing someone is going to work a angle to sue after a dealer did a oil change, when you already know that honda has acknowledge a problem and have handled this in a manner which they deemed fit under a service bulletin, it may be lame for me to pull this card, but your best bet is to remain calm and collective, and try to work things out with your dealer, however if they won't, the idea of taking it to another dealer for a night trade in sounds good.
If welding was an option, it would likely be exercised. I have heard in the past that once there is a crack, it can spread all around, whether you weld it or not. Driving around in a welded engine is probably a disaster waiting to happen. Maybe one day you'll drive 300 miles out of town and be stuck there. Facing $500 or more towing fee will be a nice reality check.if you can weld aluminium you can fix it..could be just temp though.
maybe some mighty putty ( i kid)
i have 40k on my 06ex and havnt had the problem yet. and i beat on it.
but how do you have only 30k and no warranty? all of them come with 3/36k bumper to bumper 5/60k power train