yea its ok i see what you're saying.....i understand that you're not trying to start any s**t with me but everytime i have a post i feel like you do so.... if you want i can write you a detailed list on all the things that i did and what the shop did.. to be honest with you i wasnt there when they installed the roll bars so im sorry if im "vauge" on that ok?oc_civic said:i think the point he is making (although i wont speek for him) is that for someone who "built this car" you are a little vague about whats going on with something as simple as the roll cage install.. the cage install is very simple and straight foward.. i see no reason at all to weld it in.. the autopower bars that bolt in bolt in with plates for a reason.. i really want to see how you guys welded that to the unibody.. its not about "calling BS"... its about the vagueness... "it was welded and bolted to the frame" again.. thats interesting since your car doesnt have a frame.. so that answer.. basicly tells me nothing.. i not trying to be a d**k.. OR give you a hard time.. im just trying to figure out what you are talking about.. in fact.. when i asked you the question the FIRST time.. in this thread.. it was ONLY because although the actual install is easy the physical work is a b***h... and i was assuming you installed it.. since you claimed to build the car for your "man"... i think all of that is further confused by just having the car how he likes it and choosing NOT to take it to the meet... i mean that doesnt make too much sense to me at least... its a honda meet.. you wouldnt just take both cars to show off? again.. this is NOT intended to start any s**t.. i have no issues with you.. just trying to clarify thats all..